• glitchdx@lemmy.world
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    18 days ago

    Yes, the system sucks, and we should do what we can to fix it.

    What is also important is Order of Operations. It will be much harder (if not impossible) to effect any positive change on the systems that be if the orange orangutan wins the election, while those changes will be at least possible under the leadership of the blue candidate.

    I like to think that people who are not able to figure this out are victims of republican/russian propaganda. To think otherwise would be both depressing and enraging and I have too much of my own shit going on to deal with any of that.

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      18 days ago

      I don’t think you can end up anywhere good by bargaining with genocide. “Sucks” doesn’t even come close to describing such a system. The order of operations you’re talking about sounds to me like: 1- elect the more decorous monster 2- go back to ignoring all the suffering. I’ll definitely agree that it’s depressing, but it doesn’t require any foreign propaganda to be that.

      • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        17 days ago

        Thank you for saying this. If we keep choosing the ‘lesser of two evils’, we just keep allowing things to get worse, albeit more slowly.

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          17 days ago

          So you admit that the options are literally “get worse slowly” or “burn it all,” and you would rather see everyone suffer? Cool. No wonder everyone loves far-leftists.

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              17 days ago

              And you actually believe that not participating pushes towards that goal? Or can we live in reality and admit that it just makes you feel better while having the opposite effect?

              • Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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                17 days ago

                And you actually believe that not participating pushes towards that goal?

                Not participating in a system which murders the innocent is, indeed, the moral choice.

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                  17 days ago

                  Prevent fewer deaths or witness more deaths. Not participating is a choice but still a choice at the end of the day with blood still on your hands. So get the fuck off your high horse.

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                    17 days ago

                    Not participating is a choice

                    Yes, I agree, not participating in killing innocent people is a choice. It’s also the only choice.

                    The interactions I’ve had with people labelling themselves as ‘progressive’ have tended towards being negative. What do you want to progress towards? A world built on sacrificing innocent people, I imagine?

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            17 days ago

            No wonder everyone loves far-leftists.

            Everyone loves civilians in the Middle East too, so much they send them explosive gifts.