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Summary
Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”
Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.
The only person you should blame is Harris and her party. She made the same mistake Clinton did by trying to be as conservative as possible, so nobody on the left voted for her.
Nobody on the left votes for her so the far right wins again. Real galaxy brain move there.
Nobody ever accused voters of being smart. That said, Harris lost a lot of Biden’s 2020 voters, so this is the exact good time to go super critical on her campaign.
And nobody ever accused liberals of even appearing to give a fuck about the working man (literally). The whole Bernie factor was missing, the only Democrat who could actually rally that population – because he cared about their issues – just to be hit with the “Bernie Bro” cudgel. “Wait he appeals to men? Must be a sexist!”
A left that doesn’t care about class isn’t leftist. Worse, they’re not even realising that that’s why people go for other options because while the right doesn’t care about the proletariat either, at least they pretend to. The liberals created Trump.
A lot of good sense here. Democrats have been so focused on race and sex that they lost the whole working class. I don’t think they realize that people don’t think of themselves as demographics. Representation is a thing, but they assume far too much about it: “Let’s run a black woman - we’ll get all the black AND woman votes! And she’s Asian, too!” Meanwhile they are doing little for the working class issues that affect these voters most. Kamala’s program of tax break handouts was a dead giveaway: Democrats think the system is fine - but they’d like to buy your vote this year. People want structural change to the system, not a new line item on their tax return. Trump’s tariffs, ill-advised as they are, show a willingness to make deep structural change to the macroeconomics that have brought us here. While democrats clutch their pearls over a 5% drop to GDP, working class voters are like “we’re already losing big time - let’s roll the dice.”
Tax break handouts are a slap in the face of the working poor: What good is a tax break when you don’t earn enough to pay taxes, or live a dignified life, in the first place?
It’s surprisingly few people who pay no taxes. The standard exemption is only $13,850.
But your point still stands. Poor people aren’t going to hold on til the end of the year for a lousy $300 credit.
Right on the nose. Here’s a perfect example of this, which I find incredibly demeaning toward the supposed demographic they’re trying to court. It just shows how out of touch the party is.
https://www.npr.org/2024/10/13/nx-s1-5151968/harris-weed-crypto
AGAIN. Yup. Riding high on Obama’s economy (who himself was blamed for Bush’s) and now Biden receiving the blame for Trump’s, the working class folk yearn for what they used to have - not realizing where it came from or how to get it back.
I’m sick of this denial of voters culpability for their own votes. You are responsible for who you vote for and the outcomes. People voted for this and they are fundamentally responsible. Right now, folks just need to focus on making their local communities robust against the oncoming disasters.
They are responsible for their own votes but if the politicians aren’t able to sell their ideas then the blame is also on them.
I blame Brexit on those that voted leave but I also blame the remain campaign for sleepwalking into the Brexit referendum and not doing enough to counter the leave campaign’s lies.
I think Remain spent too long trying to counter Leaver lies. Leave just sprayed them out, not caring. Remain should have been making the case for the EU. (Though industrial scale lying is a news regulation issue. It not balance to give both sides equal time when one side is bullshiting.)
I’m sick of this denial of politician’s culpability for their policies. That said yes community organising is always a good idea, maybe the American left, doing that, will actually finally figure out why they’re not appealing to people who they should be appealing to. A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong, and I’m not saying stop giving a fuck about racism etc, I’m saying start giving a fuck about class.
There’s almost zero representation for the left in the Democratic party, so it’s not accurate to refer to the party as the left. Both of these parties are catering to the right, but one seems confused about why they keep losing to the party who isn’t afraid to admit that they’re just catering to the right.
I mean sure but they’re commonly referred to in US politics as left, and also consider themselves to be on the left.
Not my fault y’all’s overton window is fucked.
There are always lumpen elements that are too bought-in to serving the ruling class to be capable of class consciousness, and the US system has made sure that they have proliferated.
Before you judge them to be too bought-in how about starting to give a damn about their issues.
It doesn’t matter if the voters are to blame. If they don’t vote for you, you haven’t reached them. Complaining about that won’t make them vote for you.
This being said everyone who is a citizen of a society has some responsibility for that society. So of course the voters have responsibility.
I’m sick of people blaming voters when they live in a State without democracy
Donald Trump won the popular vote in an election with record setting voter turnout. Lack of democracy from the electoral college or voter suppression didn’t do this. People voting for Trump did.
Voter turnout was down many millions
Turnout seems to have been 158,481,688 (62.8%) in 2020 and although not yet tallied for 2024 the estimates are 138,437,782 counted so far. Can we just wait until the counts are done before making statements?
This is the most damning rebuke of Democrats and their leaders. Trump’s tactics worked.
Turnout is down by at least 10 million from 2020.
Heh, I’m sure all the gazans, Ukrainians and Taiwanese are glad to hear the American left stood for their principles.
I really wonder how much direct financial support Russia sends our ‘left’.
That ‘left’ gets a hell lot of financial support, if not outright some method to organize brigading campaigns.
Jesus christ you’re literally quoting “George Soros funding the deep state left” MAGA rhetoric here and wondering why the dems lost the election. Stop trying to out-Republican the Republicans and maybe you’ll stop costing us elections.
Note the “left” in quotation marks!
There’s a kind of “left”, with anti-corporate policies just as vague as what some more populist right-wingers have, if not the exact same, that is just being used to call out “hypocritical, leftist virtue signaling by corporations”, which the right just uses to paint leftist social policies as unreasonable. That “left” also just seem to have a “reappropriated” version of whatever stuff the right appropriated for itself to make their isolationist foreign policies look less far-right as their “anti-imperialist” policy.
And when it comes to class warfare, it’s just the same exact work moralist and anti-intellectualist mess the right has.
That’s why I call these people leftists in name only. They’re not funded by George Soros, but by either Russia, or some “moderate, christian-conservative” party like Fidesz, if not both.
First and foremost, I blame the racist shits who voted for Trump.
And second and secondmost, I blame the anti-Trump non-voters. The GOP only lost about 2 million from 2020, but the Democrats lost about 14 million. I know they’re not all accounted for but that is a MUCH larger swathe from blue than red. Obviously some switched sides for their own reasons but basically there are maybe 10 million voters who decided that voting for the lesser of two evils wasn’t on their agenda and did nothing. Disappointing.
Edit: obviously I blame all the propaganda from the billionaires/wealthy media/foreign interference etc too (and moreso), but let’s take that as read.
I guess the silver lining is that we won’t spend the next few months worried about violent retaliation and a second insurrection. But we’ll have to live through the bickering and multiple finger pointings among non_MAGA people on whose fault it was. Then January 20th will come and we’ll be too busy worrying about our well being to continue the blaming.
It really does parallel Brexit in a way. People are so similar.
Would you rather she miss out on the bigger share of the center?
Face it, political views are a Bell Curve.
Supporting a genocide and climate destruction isn’t center . its right of center.
I agree it was the Democrats and the Democrats alone that are responsible for the next 4 years.
Now come take a look at this bridge, I need to shift it quickly so I’ll let you have a bargain price.
The only good part about this message is the 145 downvotes lol
Nah I think she made the same mistake as Clinton by having a vagina.
You’re right. Sad to see the down votes.
Kamala Harris was up 10 points in ratings above Trump after Biden dropped out. Every step of the way, Kamala dropped the ball and fumbled her lead with her eye on winning over conservatives.
This country is moving more and more right, and it’s not the American people’s fault. Democrats have stagnated ever since Obama ran on hope and change, but forgot all of that shit once in the White House.
Don’t let people gaslight you here. Democrats are the ones to blame.