stop trying to give me an ultimatum, saying iāll go to hell or that we canāt be friends if i donāt pray.
if iām uncertain that god exists because thereās NO PROOF EITHER WAY for me.
iām not a āperfectā straight christian woman like you are, iām not going to change myself because my looks ātemptā men. i dress for me, not for men.
i donāt CARE if same-gender relationships are āsinsā and youāll go to hell. there are some pro-lgbt churches. i donāt care if āall women are for is to complement men and theyāre inferior and they should only be with other men for that reasonā.
this shit makes me so mad. i donāt have to be religious if i donāt want to be. thereās this one straight christian woman i know and she hates other women itās so annoying, and she claims to support the lgbt but ādoesnāt care about gay/trans rightsā.
omfg shut up, thereās some actual kind christians despite me not being one myself, but these people obviously arenāt.
if youāre genuinely curious as to whether i pray, am christian/religious, or go to church, then thatās fine, but DONāT TRY TO FORCE ME. i thought christianity preached acceptance??
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āWe canāt be friends if you donāt prayā
OK.
Walk away.
This is my response to any kind of ultimatum. And I say āOKā as dispassionately as possible, as if someone said they prefer vanilla over chocolate ice cream.
we canāt be friends if i donāt pray.
āBye then.ā
āall women are for is to complement men and theyāre inferior and they should only be with other men for that reasonā.
Sheās in deep. You donāt have to save her if you donāt want to.
If a religion doesnāt allow its members to be friends with non-members, that religion is a cult.
You probably donāt want to engage with cult members anyway, unless it is to help them leave the cult.
Christians preach acceptance? Thatās the farthest thing from truth
Begun the edgy Atheist redditor rants have
My thoughts on religion are about the same as having an invisible friend. Sure, thereās nothing wrong with that, up until age 3 or 4 or so when youāre supposed to realize the invisible friend doesnāt exist.
you canāt prove that no god exists, but there are a lot of proofs that the christian god cannot possibly exist.
and itās important to remember: a christian is only one god less atheist than you. they need to prove zeus, shiva, quetzocoatl, and loki donāt exist or their religion is just nonsense.
you canāt prove that no god exists, but there are a lot of proofs that the christian god cannot possibly exist.
I agree 100% with the latter part of that statement.
But itās not up to anyone to prove that something does not exist. Itās entirely up to the person making the claim that gods do exist, to provide the evidence.
At that point, youād be able to either validate the evidence or prove it to be wrong.
The problem with any religion is that itās based on faith. And what is faith? The belief in something without evidence that it exists. š«¢
Donāt waste your time even worrying about religion. Lifeās too short for that nonsense.
The people you are talking about are not Christians. They do not follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. They are at best cafeteria Christians and at worst Christians in name only.
Ok, but a āChristianā is anyone who claims to be a Christian. There are no other unifying features of Christianity that make one a āTrueā Christian. Of course, all Christians claim to be the āTrueā Christians, and claim that any Christians who do not meet some arbitrary requirement arenāt really Christians. All Christians have equal claim to the ideology, and this equally validates their claim to be Christians and invalidates their claims that others are not real Christians.
Christians follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. If you donāt follow the teachings of Jesus Christ but call yourself a Christian you are a Christian in name only.
Jesus Christ had a lot of teachings, one of which is that all humans are imperfect. All fall short, and let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Does that mean you arenāt a Christian, since youāre expecting perfection of Christians?
Cafeteria sounds good. How could something cafeteria-related be bad?
They pick and choose.
They follow Leviticus 20:13 but not Matthew 7:1-3 or Luke 6:37.
They chose which teachings to follow based on their own fear, hate, and self-loathing.
Or simply following the lead of their priest/minister. That takes away the hard work of reading and interpreting for themselves. Your take gives them a bit more credit (the haters) than I wouldā¦
Fair.
You have a rose-tinted picture of Christianity. Christians are Christians are Christians are Christians. You donāt get to be the arbiter of ārealā Christianity.
Agree that that no one is the arbiter of ātrueā Christianity. Saying āChristians are Christiansā though falls into the same trap. The UCC is nothing like Southern Baptists.
The UCC and the southern Baptists are still both Christians though. Their individual subclasses donāt change the superclass to which theyāve chosen to belong.
They behave wildly differently, though, which to me is the thing that actually matters.
Two individual ducks quack differently, but that doesnāt mean theyāre something other than ducks.
One duck quacks āhate the gaysā and the other duck quacks ālove the gaysā (for one example of many). Almost like the fact that theyāre ducks isnāt the problem.
Then why are you in a thread arguing about what they choose to call themselves if that distinction is irrelevant to you? The fact is, Christians who hate gays and Christians who love gays are both Christians. Theyāre not fake Christians or real Christians just because you declare them so; theyāre just Christians. Christians are Christians are Christians are Christians. They choose to be Christian, and thus they are Christian. Thatās literally all thatās required.
Thatās kind of the problem though - they do follow the teachings. The bible clearly states that two men who sleep together must be stoned to death, and that people are encouraged to spread these beliefs. It is true that they are ignoring the parts about being kind to other people, but at the same time, you are likely ignoring the parts that tell you that you can keep slaves as long as they are from other regions, that you cannot eat pork and shellfish, and that you must stone gay men.
This makes you absolutely a better person that the dipshits that OP is complaining about. But nevertheless, they are likely just as christian.
Might want to change the name of your religion then, because itās been mainly overtaken by evil hateful people, and youāre not going to get it back.
Iām an atheist. Atheism is not a religion. Itās the complete lack of religion.
Iām aware of what atheism is, thanks, sweetie.
Maybe donāt talk like you know what a āāāreal Christianāāā is. I know what it is because I lived that life and am now stuck in a town where itās the majority. Fuck your pussyfooting.
Sit down.
Does that ever work? It isnāt going to work with me.
Itās obvious that the loudest modern āāāāāāāāChristiansāāāāāāāā (Iām not sure what the point of all those quotation marks is but Iām just going with it) pick and choose the most hateful passages of the Old Testament to justify their own fear, hate, and self loathing.
You may not like it but it is the truth.
Sorry that it hurts your feelings to know that current Christian ideology is hateful and shitty.
It doesnāt hurt my feelings. As Iāve said a couple of times, I live in a country with actual religious freedom where what those shitty people believe doesnāt effect me in any way. Their beliefs donāt prevent my gay friends from marrying and they donāt prevent my wife, daughter, and female friends from making decisions about their own healthcare without interference from shitty people who donāt know them.
There is a difference between pointing out that they are shitty people and having hurt feelings. It appears that the only people with hurt feelings in this conversation are those who are butt hurt because I pointed out that some modern Christians are horrible people.
if iām uncertain that god exists because thereās NO PROOF EITHER WAY for me.
This sentence is not grammatically correct.
But I agree with the sentiment.
