It’s extremely impressive. A domestic chip on a 7nm process. That’s equivalent to Android flagships of three years ago with the Snapdragon 865, in terms of the manufacturing process. To only be three years behind, after all the sanctions and doing everything yourself, it’s incredible.
The Kirin 9000S is only 2% larger than the original 9000, which was made using TSMC 5nm. It performs far better than any 7nm chip.
CPU Performance almost matches the 4nm Exynos 2200, which because the 2300 was a no show is the best chip Samsung has.
GPU Performance although not a match for the original 9000 still exceeds the 5nm Snapdragon 888.
Geek Bench 5 Multi/Single core Scores
Wow that is extremely impressive on the CPU side in terms of raw performance. I guess having their own OS in harmony OS also helps with optimisation. Over 1000 on the single core side, right between the 865 and 888. Energy efficiency still can’t match the 865 on the old TSMC process, but it’s better than the 888 and 8 gen 1 on Samsungs process. The 8+ gen 1 and 8 gen 2 on the new TSMC process absolutely destroy it in energy efficiency though.
As for the GPU, raw numbers aren’t the most important, many ARM GPUs, especially those from Mali, perform poorly in certain situations outside of benchmarks due to poor drivers. It’s why people always recommend Adreno GPUs for game emulsion on Android. So it really depends on how Huawei has integrated it on that side. All in all, it’s still very impressive.
I don’t think the CPU performance is down to optimization. The 4 custom Taishan performance cores having hyper threading is probably why. The Kirin 9000S has 8 cores / 12 threads, which is why the multi-core score is so high.
The GPU drivers definitely aren’t ready yet; it can’t render Genshin Impact correctly. It’s not an ARM Mali reference design; it’s Huawei own Maleoon 910. The only things from ARM are the Cortex-A510 efficiency cores, and the instruction set.
Yeah I’m positive that Huawei went their own direction with the GPU because of how bad Mali has been lately, but getting the drivers to work will be a huge task
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That’s nuts how far ahead Apple is: these are all recent chips at the A13 came out in 2019
It doesn’t help that Qualcomm’s 888, and 8 Gen 1 were a disappointment. Even more so since they were the debut of ARM’s Cortex-X series of performance cores. Those were supposed to be ARM’s attempt at matching Apple’s custom cores. Thermal throttling issues meant that they weren’t even real upgrades from the 865 in terms of sustained performance.
The original Kirin 9000 was from 2020. Hard to improve performance, if the US government is doing everything to hinder your ability to make chips in the first place. Huawei matching the original TSMC 5nm EUV chip with just SMIC 7nm DUV is a miracle.
Oh yeah - this is not to undermine Huawei’s achievement here which is absolutely incredible. I just think the choice of putting the A13 as the newest apple chip on a chart with modern chips is an interesting one
Ahhh, that makes a lot more sense
I don’t care what anyone else thinks: Apple’s UI sucks. They operate similar to Nintendo as some quasi-cult like company. I was in it in a prior life: I used to think people who used Android weren’t as smart as Apple users for some reason.
Apple doesn’t actually make the chips, that would be TSMC
TSMC doesn’t actually make the chips, that would be EUV machines manufactured by ASML operated by employees of TSMC if you want to be pedantic.
Snapdragon 8+ gen 1 is built on TSMC 4nm as well, so that’s probably not the single factor.
“Huawei must go”
I had no idea and am delighted to learn that they’d rolled their own OS to replace Android.
It seems like it can run Android apps through a compatibility layer as well.
It looks like they’re hoping to end that though: https://www.huaweicentral.com/harmonyos-next-is-a-pure-harmonyos-without-android-apps-and-future-of-huawei-ecosystem/
Not only is it 5g but it’s also got satellite calling capability using Chinese satellites. On top of that, it’s a flagship phone being sold at a comparable price to a basic satellite phone.
At this point Huawei is just dabbing in the US.
Countries are learning that US sanctions only hold so much power now. And they can circumvent them with without much punishment. It’s incredible to see. Hopefully heavily sanctioned countries will start collaborating a continue to grow the new global economy independently of the west.
I expect that’s what we’re going to see with BRICS shortly. One of the rules of BRICS is that members can’t sanction one another. So, the more countries join the more become immune from western sanctions. BRICS is already a bigger economy than G7 as well, so if you have to choose economic blocs, it’s the winning choice.
Great things are happening in the world, I’m just disappointed I only get to cheer from the sidelines.
I’m not sure what this emoji represents but somehow I can see it.
A qualitative leap is only so far away, comrade.
This is the battle for Stalingrad in the science and technology war.
Officer #1: [repeating through megaphone] The one with the phone, tweets!
Officer #2: [handing out phones] One out of two gets a phone.
Officer #1: The one without, follows him! When the one with the phone gets killed, the one who is following picks up the phone and tweets!
I really want to get one, but software-wise I still need access to Google at work. Gonna have to do some research on what switching to Huawei’s AppGallery ecosystem from Google Play Store will actually impact.
Also you don’t get Huawei’s Android version (EMUI) on the Huawei Mate 60 pro, you get harmony os as it’s only for sale in China. While it can run most android apps seamlessly as well as native harmony os apps, it’s not Android. Using it outside of China might be challenging.
I guess it would be completely useless for the government apps you’re forced to have living in a western country.
The steaming pile of crap that my government wants us to use to sign everything and log into everything doesn’t even support Firefox.
You can always try sideload the Android apps and see how harmony os handles them with the compatibility layer. But that’s a big gambe if you need the apps to do necessary stuff.
I had a p30 pro from mainland china, and while the hardware was great, I couldn’t root it or change the launcher. Which made me unhappy for quite a long time.
Yeah, and that was still Android. This phone isn’t even Android.
So I’m just stuck with this shitty iPhone? Damn…
Other Androids are always an option. I’m partial to getting year old flagships on stock clearance discounts, probably the best value for money you can get.
You can always get an Huawei phone intended for international sales with EMUI on it, that’s Huawei’s version of Android.
A huge fuck you to the imperialist regime. Mate 60 is a big deal. Built all in China along with the OS. I hope its shipping with HarmonyOS 4.0, or the update to it is really quick. That’s awesome stuff.
Yeah, this is the most visible sign of Chinese tech independence that most people can understand.
This along with their Linux distro openKylin, China is rising up even more, especially with tech independence. I love it. I wish I could use Linux, but I’m stuck on Windows for software and piracy reasons. Its easier. There’s also Deepin OS but I don’t really count that.
Damn i kinda want one ngl
Same tbh
The resolution of the camera on the Mate 60 Pro is astounding. There’s a short video on
TwitterX of a side-by-side comparison of the Mate 60 Pro and the iPhone 14 Pro Max, and it’s shocking to see just how far Huawei has come.https://twitter.com/CGHuangPingNY/status/1699536953312481688
An actual pocket telescope.
What the actual shit? Is that big circle on the back the entire camera? So it’s literally just a lense with a smartphone attached at this point?
Most flagship smartphones are. The Samsung Galaxy s23 ultra is more camera than phone at this point and has the best zoom camera you can get on a smartphone. With subjects like the moon though (an object that will always appear the same), there is definitely some element of AI trickery and borderline re texturing, both from Huawei and Samsung.
I haven’t had a flagship phone in like a decade. lol. It’s been mid tier Motorola’s for so long I don’t even know what flagships are capable of. Will probably never know. lol My phone budget is like $300-$400 tops with 3 years minimum in-between.
Yeah I’ve had my current phone for about three years, it was a year old flagship that I got on a discount when the new flagship model came out. I find buying a year old flagship on clearance discount is a better deal than buying midrangers, yes you get one year less of software updates, but the better hardware is worth it.
Google fi had this deal they gave up on, got an S22 last year for like 300 bucks if I signed up for Fi. Just had to keep the sim in it for 120 days iirc and it was all mine, unlocked and everything.
I think they stopped it for a normal financing option sadly but I got 500 bucks off this thing which still astounds me.
Yeah I use Fi for myself and my parents. I got my dad a free phone no strings attached for signing up. It was a Moto G 5g or something. Decent phone. Nothing amazing but hey it was basically free and works well. They occasionally have decent deals and are probably one of the better of the cheap services that I have had.
Edit: if you can stomach paying money to Google that is. I’m not plugging a company. But then tbf there are no service providers in the US that aren’t evil…
I basically joined up because the s22 was the only reasonably sized phone that would last me the 4-5 years I wanted out of it, and my parents wanted me off their plan lmao.
I used a different google account than my main account for the service because Fi can be sketchy with shutting down your account and all that if they charge you fraudulently and you get a chargeback.
Service is basically TMobile. There’s only like 3 real network providers anyway.
Holy shit that is way farther than the Samsung zoom lens
are you fucking kidding me
This is pretty disingenuous. Doesn’t it overlay an HD picture of the moon over the actual moon if it detects that you’re trying to take a photo of it.
It’s still neat processing nonetheless.
Carl Zha: Made in China-How Huawei defeats US Tech Sanction on China
Carl Zha talks to @TheRedPillDiariesOfficial about how Huawei’s latest phone Mate60 Pro defied all expectation to defeat the US tech sanction on China. Why ultimately US tech war on China is self-defeating.
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I want a Huawei phone so badly, but I gotta wait till my contract or whatever is finished and to see if they’re even still available in Canada. I don’t think Trudeau went through with banning them yet.
I don’t politically feel one way or another about having a Huawei phone, but I do know that the Mate 20 Pro was the best phone I’ve ever had. I miss it so much, it got water damage lol
I don’t think they are, I was lookin around to see if I could get one and even hueweis website in Canada doesn’t acknowledge that they even sell phones. All their other products sure just not phones
Sorry I’m a luddite but why does a cell phone need 12 GB RAM?
At these point phones are just full blown pocket computers. In fact, Ubuntu for Android lets you dock the phone and use it like a desktop https://www.theverge.com/2012/2/21/2812424/ubuntu-for-android-hands-on
I think it would be kind neat if you could just have one device you carry around with you, that way you wouldn’t even need an cloud services to sync stuff like calendars or email across devices.
That sounds like a really neat idea, but I’m so clumsy I would be afraid to carry around my one and only computer all the time @.@
Could have it backup itself when it docks, so if you ever broke it or lost it then just restore the backup. :)
As with desktops, it’s a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy. RAM gets cheaper all the time so developers don’t really worry too much about RAM usage. As a result, devices need more RAM if people want multiple things open. Rinse and repeat.
My desktop now has 32GB, because there, 16GB isn’t really cutting it anymore. I generally have way more apps open on my phone than my desktop at any given time.
I do Android development at work. My workplace equipped me with a laptop that has 16 GB of RAM. It’s not enough to have Android Studio open and run the debugger. ADB segfaults because it runs out of memory. Even when I’m not even doing anything at all, Windows already uses a significant portion of RAM available.
website and app bloat is really annoying
most corporate designers seem to think that the acceptable amount of ram usage is equal to whatever phones/computers are currently shipped with
so they don’t bother using resources on optimizing
Now I’m not a computer person so I might not have all the details exactly right. But the moment that Chrome ram usage became uncapped circa 2016 was the moment computers went downhill. There moment immediately before was peak ICT.
I essentially had to scrap my 2010 MacBook Pro, which had worked perfectly up to that point. Even Apple hadn’t pulled the plug yet. Every subsequent machine has been relatively more expensive and worse. There seems to be an inverse relationship between the year and price versus the performance.
The specs are getting better no doubt but most websites / software (except Lemmy) are demanding so many more resources, apparently just because they can, that it’s all practically unusable. Bear in mind, I mainly use word, PDFs, and online databases (of plain text, word docs, or pdf files). I’m not doing anything that you’d expect to use a lot of ram.
I think more than 10GB and the phones can procreate among themselves. An additional 2GB on top gave the phones a bit of extra zip, and that’s how the Mate 60 was born so quickly. Either that or something else. But if it’s not this, America’s top economists are all out of ideas.
exceptional post!
How you gonna run discord with less than 16GB of RAM??
I have a flipphone so idk how the app performs.
How are you going to run [chromium] with less than 16GB of RAM??
(This isn’t a joke. Discord on desktop is basically just Chrome.)
No one writes native apps anymore, everything is a web browser running three gigs of JavaScript to track every scroll and tap you do. Takes a lot of memory.
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the maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry
This post had me find this video which I quite enjoyed. Any thoughts from here on this channel? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EjyShMXkRw
Andy Boreham is excellent. I love his stuff. I watch his stuff regularly.
My only criticism of his content, if you can call it criticism, is it’s too clean. The man is impeccably well-groomed and professional to a fault. I don’t share his content with my liberal friends because these qualities that would usually be considered virtues trigger all their preconceptions about what staged propaganda would look like.
I guess when content creators are so professional people are quick to jump on the “CCP PROPAGANDA TRAIN” huh? I wonder if they would still hold the same thoughts on JT from second thought or Hakim. Regardless, i’m glad I found this guy today, his Fukushima lies video is pretty great too.
I’m pretty sure he’s on a list somewhere, alongside Cyrus Janssen, Li Jingjing, Jerry Grey and Brian Berletic. So if you like his stuff those are some other people to discover if you haven’t done so already!
edit: Oh, also Carl Zha and Danny Haiphong.
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