Texas has significantly more firearm deaths than California, 9/100k vs 15/100k. Nationally, California is lower than average in gun deaths.
And that’s even after the surrounding states with far more lax gun policy negatively effects California’s rates.
Basically all of the states with the highest gun death rates are republican states, and that’s not a coincidence.
Better social safety nets would be far more effective at reducing all forms of violence.
We should be doing both. The lack of social stability/mobility and health services is a part of the core problem. But it is not the only part the other part is that literally any lunatic or untrained owner can get a gun despite being unfit due to the countless loopholes.
Just as we have the right to vote and a requirement to register, so to should we have the right to bear arms with a requirement to register.
Just as we have the right to own cars and a requirement to be licensed (and therefore trained), so to should we have the right to bear arms with the requirement to be liscensed (and therefore trained.
If you are incapable of registering, being liscensed, or trained to safely own a gun, then you shouldn’t have a gun.
Once again lumping in suicides without clearly stating such, to artificially bolster gun violence. This data includes suicides, which a mag disconnector, chamber indicator, registry, etc won’t help with.
And the intent behind them, at least the ones you specified, is not to deal with suicides. They are to prevent accidents (which is a part of gun violence).
You are basically saying “these car seat belt laws don’t do anything to prevent airplane crashes!”. Yeah no shit, that wasn’t the point of those laws.
Dog I think you’re losing track of the conversion. This post is about mag capacities, a measure trying to tackle gun murder. I started my comment talking about gun murders. I’m still taking about gun murders and related laws. You brought up suicide statistics
No, I brought up firearm deaths as a whole, which is a part of the problem. California has addressed it, which is why they have a lower firearm death rate.
I started my comment talking about gun murders.
And like I said, that is misleading. California’s gun laws were added to reduce firearm deaths at a whole, so it is misleading to only go by gun murders.
Nope. There is no and should not be a requirement to register to express a right that clearly states it shall not be infringed. Not a chance. Once again, showe a criminal with bad intentions who’s going to register his firearms he bought out of the back of a van. You can’t because they don’t exist. Registration would only make things worse for everyone. Especially a publicly searchable registry where home invaders could add that little step to planning out which homes they’re going to invade.
Any and every requirement is a barrier to your right to bear arms and is an infringement because people like you think you sit on some high horse when in reality it’s you making life worse for everyone involved. Stop it.
There is no and should not be a requirement to register to express a right that clearly states it shall not be infringed.
And requiring registration does not infringe, as you are still permitted to own guns.
showe a criminal with bad intentions who’s going to register his firearms he bought out of the back of a van. Especially a publicly searchable registry where home invaders could add that little step to planning out which homes they’re going to invade.
These are strawman arguments.
Stop it.
Nope. Children are needlessly being killed over this stupid shit that should have been dealt with a century ago.
Children are being killed over gun rights? Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public? That wouldn’t be an infringement on your right to free speech, would it? Do you need to register your right to not speak to avoid self incrimination? No. Do you need to register your right to protection from unlawful search and seizure? Nope.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
Yes. The lack of gun control is leading to shootings, accidental discharges, etc, which directly lead to the deaths of children.
Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
The state is not doing that.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
I don’t think you understand how a strawman works.
You were arguing against a position I do not hold. You can’t just make up some crap, argue against it, and then pretend that it’s a view I hold.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public?
So there is a fundamental misunderstanding you have here. The right to speak and the right to bear arms are fundamentally different rights. One is the right to an action, the other is a right to own something. One is not inherently dangerous, the other is. So pretending that the protections surrounding these rights can be applied the same is just silly. The right to speak does not carry anywhere near the same danger as a gun.
On top of that, there are other things we have the right to own that are dangerous and therefore require registration, such as cars. We have the right to own cars, but we are still required to register them due to the dangers involved with them. Bicycles don’t require registration, and that’s because they aren’t dangerous, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
I really do not care what Girsham/pro-gun death people think.
“The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”
The 2nd is literally the only right that specifically states “shall not be infringed.”
And gun control does not infringe that right anymore than car regulations infringe the right to travel.
Yet here you are wanting it infringed because you’re scared.
I want gun control not because I am scared (I’m not), but because people are dying over this and it is easily preventable. We are basically the only country to have this problem. Almost all of the other developed nations have figured this shit out and don’t regularly have shootings or gun deaths at the scale we do.
And you obviously don’t know who Michelle Grisham is.
People are not dying “over” this. People are dying because they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like people buried in an avalanche or a hurricane or a car wreck or insert unfortunate circumstance here. You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement. A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it. But it ain’t gonna happen. I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.
You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement.
I’m saying it because it is true. There is a very easily quantifiable number of people who have died from firearms, and the number is largely avoidable.
A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it.
You’re mistaken. I don’t want the populace disarmed. I want all gun owners to be responsible gun owners, but that isn’t going to happen without regulation. Those who are able to safely own a gun and want to own a gun should own a gun. Nobody else should. Ideally we would have gun regulation that falls somewhere between the Netherlands’ or Finland’s gun law, which have a ~20x lower and ~3x lower death rate than our country.
Gun violence is nothing more than an arbritary metric whose sole purpose is gun control. If they wanted violence, theyd say violence. If they wanted suicides, theyd say suicides.
But no, they had a conclusion and made up gun violence as a metric.
You aren’t counting the number of dead. Only the acts using a specific tool. Its a metric about the tool, not about deaths. And besides, violence counts more than deaths.
People are needlessly dying. But gun control will not solve that. Focus on why people are killing themselves.
That’s not true. You’re being incredibly misleading by only looking at murders instead of gun violence as a whole.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm
Texas has significantly more firearm deaths than California, 9/100k vs 15/100k. Nationally, California is lower than average in gun deaths.
And that’s even after the surrounding states with far more lax gun policy negatively effects California’s rates.
Basically all of the states with the highest gun death rates are republican states, and that’s not a coincidence.
We should be doing both. The lack of social stability/mobility and health services is a part of the core problem. But it is not the only part the other part is that literally any lunatic or untrained owner can get a gun despite being unfit due to the countless loopholes.
Just as we have the right to vote and a requirement to register, so to should we have the right to bear arms with a requirement to register.
Just as we have the right to own cars and a requirement to be licensed (and therefore trained), so to should we have the right to bear arms with the requirement to be liscensed (and therefore trained.
If you are incapable of registering, being liscensed, or trained to safely own a gun, then you shouldn’t have a gun.
Once again lumping in suicides without clearly stating such, to artificially bolster gun violence. This data includes suicides, which a mag disconnector, chamber indicator, registry, etc won’t help with.
Suicides are a form of gun violence.
I never made that argument, so this is a strawman.
Strawman? My friend these are gun laws in California. The state we’re talking about.
And the intent behind them, at least the ones you specified, is not to deal with suicides. They are to prevent accidents (which is a part of gun violence).
You are basically saying “these car seat belt laws don’t do anything to prevent airplane crashes!”. Yeah no shit, that wasn’t the point of those laws.
Dog I think you’re losing track of the conversion. This post is about mag capacities, a measure trying to tackle gun murder. I started my comment talking about gun murders. I’m still taking about gun murders and related laws. You brought up suicide statistics
No, I brought up firearm deaths as a whole, which is a part of the problem. California has addressed it, which is why they have a lower firearm death rate.
And like I said, that is misleading. California’s gun laws were added to reduce firearm deaths at a whole, so it is misleading to only go by gun murders.
You’re over simplifying the issue.
How?
Nope. There is no and should not be a requirement to register to express a right that clearly states it shall not be infringed. Not a chance. Once again, showe a criminal with bad intentions who’s going to register his firearms he bought out of the back of a van. You can’t because they don’t exist. Registration would only make things worse for everyone. Especially a publicly searchable registry where home invaders could add that little step to planning out which homes they’re going to invade.
Any and every requirement is a barrier to your right to bear arms and is an infringement because people like you think you sit on some high horse when in reality it’s you making life worse for everyone involved. Stop it.
And requiring registration does not infringe, as you are still permitted to own guns.
These are strawman arguments.
Nope. Children are needlessly being killed over this stupid shit that should have been dealt with a century ago.
Children are being killed over gun rights? Either you’re full of shit or you’re admitting children are being killed by the state for emotional reactions like yours.
Saying criminals are not going to register their guns is not a strawman, it’s the absolute factual truth which you willingly refuse to accept.
Do you need to register your right to speak in public? That wouldn’t be an infringement on your right to free speech, would it? Do you need to register your right to not speak to avoid self incrimination? No. Do you need to register your right to protection from unlawful search and seizure? Nope.
You register for privileges, not rights. I don’t care if you don’t like it. In fact, the courts don’t care if you don’t like it. Just ask Michelle Grisham what people think of your bullshit.
Yes. The lack of gun control is leading to shootings, accidental discharges, etc, which directly lead to the deaths of children.
The state is not doing that.
I don’t think you understand how a strawman works.
You were arguing against a position I do not hold. You can’t just make up some crap, argue against it, and then pretend that it’s a view I hold.
So there is a fundamental misunderstanding you have here. The right to speak and the right to bear arms are fundamentally different rights. One is the right to an action, the other is a right to own something. One is not inherently dangerous, the other is. So pretending that the protections surrounding these rights can be applied the same is just silly. The right to speak does not carry anywhere near the same danger as a gun.
On top of that, there are other things we have the right to own that are dangerous and therefore require registration, such as cars. We have the right to own cars, but we are still required to register them due to the dangers involved with them. Bicycles don’t require registration, and that’s because they aren’t dangerous, or at least not anywhere near as dangerous.
I really do not care what Girsham/pro-gun death people think.
Lol driving is a privilege, not a right. All that rambling and you still can’t get it right.
The 2nd is literally the only right that specifically states “shall not be infringed.” Yet here you are wanting it infringed because you’re scared.
And you obviously don’t know who Michelle Grisham is. I’ll end my interaction there. Learn before you speak.
It is in fact a right.
https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/21/21-7237/215263/20220301155927765_20220301-153600-00002217-00002863.pdf
And gun control does not infringe that right anymore than car regulations infringe the right to travel.
I want gun control not because I am scared (I’m not), but because people are dying over this and it is easily preventable. We are basically the only country to have this problem. Almost all of the other developed nations have figured this shit out and don’t regularly have shootings or gun deaths at the scale we do.
https://lemmy.world/comment/3410602
I already had a conversation about her. I am well aware of who she is. Since you didn’t understand what I was saying, allow me to rephrase.
People are not dying “over” this. People are dying because they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. Just like people buried in an avalanche or a hurricane or a car wreck or insert unfortunate circumstance here. You only want to say people are dying over it to add emotion to your plea for infringement. A disarmed populace is easy to control and that’s how you want it. But it ain’t gonna happen. I’d rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Some of you are perfectly comfortable down there.
~50,000 people died in 2021 alone.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/26/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/
I’m saying it because it is true. There is a very easily quantifiable number of people who have died from firearms, and the number is largely avoidable.
You’re mistaken. I don’t want the populace disarmed. I want all gun owners to be responsible gun owners, but that isn’t going to happen without regulation. Those who are able to safely own a gun and want to own a gun should own a gun. Nobody else should. Ideally we would have gun regulation that falls somewhere between the Netherlands’ or Finland’s gun law, which have a ~20x lower and ~3x lower death rate than our country.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country
Thanks for the ad hominem, you really have me convinced.
Gun violence is nothing more than an arbritary metric whose sole purpose is gun control. If they wanted violence, theyd say violence. If they wanted suicides, theyd say suicides.
But no, they had a conclusion and made up gun violence as a metric.
How is counting the number of dead arbitrary?
People are needlessly dying. We absolutely need gun control.
Keeping track of how many have died is a reasonable thing. We do it for literally every type of death out there.
You aren’t counting the number of dead. Only the acts using a specific tool. Its a metric about the tool, not about deaths. And besides, violence counts more than deaths.
People are needlessly dying. But gun control will not solve that. Focus on why people are killing themselves.
That’s exactly what I am doing. I quoted the number of dead per capita.
“No way to stop this says only country where this regularly happens.”
Most countries solve this with gun control.
Specifically gun murders per capita. Because its not about murder, its about guns. If it was about murder, youd say murder.
Most countries solve this by not have massive drug and gang problems.
And your point is?
Good thing we are winning the republican led war on drugs /s