In an interview on ā60 Minutesā on Wednesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley said he will take āappropriate measuresā to make sure he and his family are safe in the wake of recent comments made by former President Trump.
Milleyās words come after a Truth Social post by Trump last week calling the chairman a āWoke train wreckā and accusing him of treason, seeming to reference calls made by Milley to China for reassurance at the end of Trumpās term.
āThis is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!ā Trumpās post read. āA war between China and the United States could have been the result of this treasonous act. To be continued!!!ā
āIāve got adequate safety precautions,ā the military leader said in response to a question about his concern about his safety from CBSās Norah OāDonnell.
Trump should be in prison along with all of his co-conspirators. The longer he stays free, the more crimes he commits.
How are death threats legal in the USA?
Theyāre only legal if youāre Republican.
Kathy Griffin got blacklisted+investigated for holding up a fake severed Trump head.
https://www.npr.org/2019/04/23/716258113/kathy-griffin-life-after-the-trump-severed-head-controversy
But be a Republican politician making death threats and the DOJ will wrist slap you. Itās quite clear the bias our DOJ has always had. Other countries like Canada consider some of our extremists terrorists, and weāre still handing them baby sentences for an insurrection.
Didnāt Republicans burn Obama effigies?
They laterally erected a gallows outside the capitol on Jan 6th and chanted āhang Mike Penceā while they tried to go inside and get him.
They were openly hoping someone would get ahold of Pelosi or AOC and kill them, too.
Lynch mobs love a lil rape and murder, but yet they cry those crocodile tears over Ashli Babbit,
And hung them, iirc.
Yep
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Almost sounds like the federal security agencies arenāt actually too pressed about defeating domestic terrorism.
well thatās because our governmentās full of people from both parties frankly itās hard to convince people on the same team to go after their own
Not really. Democrats are willing to censure and investigate their own party membersāmaybe even too willing. Ask Al Franken.
I donāt often have opportunity to agree with lemmygrad users. But your observation is spot on here.
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Iām pretty sure the founders of the proud boys and some of our magat groups are Canadian morons. So Iām not so sure.
It is stochastic terrorism.
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Will no one rid me of this turbulent
priest4-star general?Thank you. Your reference to Henry II (via Shakespeare) reminds us that people who hold great sway over violent individuals, like a medieval king, a mob boss or Trump, are still responsible for the actions of their followers, even if they express their wishes in slightly oblique terms. Trumpās attempts to thinly cloak his wishes are not new or particularly clever. This is how Henry II had Thomas Beckett killed way back in 1170, and Iām sure it was also very common in the ancient world. The law needs to crack down on this mob-boss mentality.
It has a name, too: stochastic terrorism.
It would be really cool if a judge, any judge, would grow a fucking spine and treat Trump like everyone else. Stay the motherfucker, place a gag order, and lock him up until trial, just like every other normal citizen. Fuck this special treatment bullshit.
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They always confess in the form of an accusation.
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How stupid do you have to be to threaten a 4-star army general?
Well, I guess as stupid as Trump, but still it defies logic.
In a normal world it would be incredibly stupid. In the reality that weāre living in, insulting military members, even wounded veterans can appeal to a certain crowd. Even ironically if some of the people in the crowd are military members or wounded veterans. The number one rule when youāre in a cult, is that the cult leader is always right.
One has to wonder if Milley was thinking āYeah? Him and what armyā
Well itās not like heās gonna face any consequences from it.
Yet if any other citizen were to make comments like that about a government official, weād already be locked up. How many lines does he have to cross before somebody will get the balls to throw the book at him?
He could literally shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it.
Yāknow what might be an appropriate measure? Prosecute people that stoke or incite violence against our troops
Against any other person really
Call it what it is: terrorism.
Trump threatening military with goons is laughable.
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Please donāt ask me for a source because I donāt have one, but I distinctly remember reporting about Pence being warned not to trust any unfamiliar secret service agents, and refusing to get into a car after the riot began because he did not recognise the driver.
Edit: Found a source:
After being taken to an undisclosed portion of the Capitol during the riot, Penceās Secret Service agents, whom Raskin suspected were reporting directly to Trumpās security detail, asked him to enter an armored limousine. The intent, some have theorized, was to drive Pence away from the building, preventing him from certifying the election results, after he had signaled his unwillingness to go against his duties and keep Trump in power.
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āIām not getting in the car, Tim,ā Pence said, in response to Giebelsā insistence that he enter the armored vehicle. āI trust you, Tim, but youāre not driving the car. If I get in that vehicle, you guys are taking off. Iām not getting in the car.ā
Meaning no disrespect, but itās pretty obvious that you donāt know much about the US military. The senior officer corps uniformly despises Trump for all of the obvious reasons that we already know about, and no doubt for other reasons that arenāt public knowledge.
Trump is only popular among the enlisted ranks, and even thatās not universally true.
In any case, while the enlisted ranks know how to keep things rolling and coordinated at the lower levels of organization, there is no world in which any of them knows how to coordinate whole divisions, carrier groups, fighter squadrons, signals intelligence, bomber groups, the nuclear arsenal, and so on and so forth.
The US military is a vast and incredibly complex organization and the only people who really know how to operate it are all in the senior officer corps which again, uniformly despises Trump.
All that said, I would almost kind of like some crazy MAGA fucker to try to assassinate Miley. You know heās protected by some of the most highly competent and experienced security experts on the planet.
This is why tuberville is trying to stop military promotions, to help trump in case he wins in 2024. One of Trumpās first action would be to clean house in the military and extract anyone who doesnāt promise to help with his military coup
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I am certain General Miley knows how to stand his ground.
Standing ground wonāt help if someone is shooting you from a distance. Or sending you a mail bomb or anthrax. Lots of ways he could be killed, sadly.
Ah, but Miley has friends with tanks.
There is a certain advantage to being a four star general in the US Army in regards to personal safety.
āNot your personal armyā comes to mind.
And drones with Hellfire missilesā¦
(cue Ride of the Valkyries outside Mar-a-Lardo)
The guy is surrounded by a team composed of some of the most elite, highly-trained and experienced security experts on the planet. I donāt think he has much to worry about. His security detail will be composed of tier 1 operators; the elite of the elite.
I seriously doubt that. Iām sure he has a secret agent or two for protection, but I think youāre making this up.
Bit of projection there in Trumpās post, eh?
Projection? Funny, I know that as the GOP special.
So, why do they hate him?
Basically in his role as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (a council of the different military branches) he called his Chinese counterpart during the election chaos to assure them Trump couldnāt unilaterally declare war on China:
Woodward and Costa describe how Milley learned in October 2020 that the Chinese had become concerned that Trump would preemptively attack China because Trump was losing the 2020 election and his rhetoric against China was growing increasingly hostile.
Milley again called his Chinese counterpart on Jan. 8, 2021, two days after the attack on the U.S. Capitol, to again reassure him that the American government was stable and not an immediate threat to China.
That sounds more like the actuoi of someone desperai trying to put out fires whilst Trump was tossing gasoline everywhere
Iām curious as to what tfg was involved with, wrt China. Thereās something heās afraid will come out.
He didnāt try to launch a military coup.
In general or was there a specific Mike Pence situation where he just refused to commit treason?
Reportedly Milley anticipated Trump attempting a coup and actively worked behind the scenes to make sure it wouldnāt work.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/15/politics/milley-trump-politics-january-6/index.html
Milley was deeply concerned Trump and his allies might attempt a coup after the November 2020 election, and he compared Trumpās lies about election fraud to the rhetoric used by Adolf Hitler as he rose to power in Germany.
āThis is a Reichstag moment,ā Milley told his aides, according to the book. āThe gospel of the FĆ¼hrer.ā
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The official acknowledged that during the final weeks of the Trump administration, Milley engaged in activities and communications not part of the traditional portfolio of a Joint Chiefs chairman, carrying a heavier political load to keep Trump in check. While Milley ātried his hardest to actively stay out of politics,ā the official said, if the events that occurred brought him into that arena temporarily, āso be it.āāHeās not going to sit in silence while people try to use the military against Americans,ā the official said.
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After the election, Trumpās blustery rhetoric turned into action when he fired Esper and installed loyalists at the Pentagon, raising Milleyās fears that Trump or his allies could try to attempt a coup to overturn the election results.According to Leonnig and Rucker, Milley was shaken by the threat of a coup and felt he had to be āon guardā for what might come.
āThey may try, but theyāre not going to f**king succeed,ā Milley told his deputies, according to the authors. āYou canāt do this without the military. You canāt do this without the CIA and the FBI. Weāre the guys with the guns.ā
Milley and the rest of the Joint Chiefs informally planned for what they would do in the event of an order they deemed illegal, dangerous or ill-advised, including a proposal to resign, one-by-one, rather than carry out the orders.
After the January 6 attack, Milley and the entire Joint Chiefs of Staff issued a statement condemning the āsedition and insurrectionā of the rioters who breached the Capitol and attacked police officers.
Milley focused his efforts on ensuring there was a āring of steelā around the city for the January 20 inauguration of President Joe Biden, according to Leonnig and Rucker. āWeāre going to put a ring of steel around this city and the Nazis arenāt getting in,ā Milley said.
They hate him because he lived up to his oath to defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. They hate him because heās an actual patriot.
Holy shit. I feel like I was living under a blanket or something. I didnāt realize how much Milley actually suspected and anticipated a coup attempt.
That is FUCKING insane. Jan 6 was incredibly bad, but that the joint chiefs actively suspected an attempt at a coup is something altogether insane. If he wins this next election I donāt think weāll have another.
I feel like I was living under a blanket or something.
I mean I guess. Didnāt lots of people on āthe leftā (by American standards) suspect something like this to happen? Think of the man what you will, but that comedian Bill Maher predicted it since before Trump was sworn into office, kept saying it for four years straight at every opportunity.
Oh damn, someone with his head on straight. That legitimately makes me feel better.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
In an interview on ā60 Minutesā on Wednesday, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs Mark Milley said he will take āappropriate measuresā to make sure he and his family are safe in the wake of recent comments made by former President Trump.
Milleyās words come after a Truth Social post by Trump last week calling the chairman a āWoke train wreckā and accusing him of treason, seeming to reference calls made by Milley to China for reassurance at the end of Trumpās term.
āThis is an act so egregious that, in times gone by, the punishment would have been DEATH!ā Trumpās post read.
Former Defense Secretary Mark Esper expressed his concerns Monday about retaliation by the former president against people whom he has had strife with ā such as Milley ā if he returns to office, calling them ālegitimate.ā
āLook, I think itās a legitimate fear,ā Esper told CNN anchor Kaitlan Collins.
āIf you recall from my memoir ā¦ I cite a circumstance where [Trump], egged on by his close advisers, wanted to call back to active duty Adm. McRaven and Gen. McChrystal, to court-martial them, for some things that they allegedly said in in the public domain, and Milley and I had to talk the president out of doing that, for any number of reasons.ā
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Less a dog whistle and more of a signal flare.
What have it away? DEATH in all caps? It was DEATH in all caps, wasnāt it.
Maybe someone will rid him of that turbulent priest.
Honestly, I gotta say maybe Trump is what the country needs.
CALM DOWN
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Heās exactly what we need to see the exact special treatment that the rich and powerful get. Heās the shinning example of what kind of shit gets to fly through our machine unscathed.
Could you imagine if a random charismatic person was the cause of Jan 6th? Theyād be rotting in prison for the rest of their life. But oh golly gee, a rich guy? Itās ok, he wonāt do it again.
You know what they say
Some of those who work forces
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