• naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Context: This happened 2 weeks ago. It was a small group of like 20 people in a protest of hundreds. The organiser of the protest condemned them, and asked the police for help removing them. The police declined to help.

    The media keeps covering the like 20 antisemites and ignoring the hundreds of peaceful demonstrators, that the police tried to stop the demonstration going ahead at all, or that the Australian government is uncritically supporting the IDFs genocide.

  • BigFig@lemmy.world
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    Idiots, you can support Palestinian civilians and not say stupid shit like this.

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      Too bad a big chunk of the self-professed supporters don’t actually give a shit about Palestinian civilians at all, they’re just paying lip service because they want an excuse to hate on Jews.

      • CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org
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        Don’t like all “pro Palestinia” people do exactly that? If you support the civilians there you don’t run around with a flag that is used by the “government” they have, wich literally started this entire shitshow again and now use the civilians as meat shields…

        • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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          The Palestinian flag predates Hamas by decades. Would you condemn the Irish Tricolor just because the IRA happened to fly it as well?

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            The swastika predates the Nazis by several Hundreds of years…

            And no, The IRA where never the government or part of it. Hamas was elected with 44% in a somewhat democratic election, before they took power (more than NSDAP, Hitlers party, had during democratic elections)

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              Yeah, and I would argue the Nazis don’t own the swastika. I’m not going to tell Buddhist and Hindu temples to take down their symbol because someone misappropriated it. Just like the IRA, Hamas has a militant wing, the Al-Qassam Brigades, and a political wing that I’ll make a rough comparison to Sinn Fein which has absolutely been a part of Northern and the Republic of Ireland government.

              Also, that election that ended up with Hamas in power was like 18 years ago which also happens to be the median age in Gaza. The majority of people in Gaza have never voted for Hamas.

              • CJOtheReal@lemmy.sdf.org
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                The majority of people in nazi Germany didn’t vote for Hitler either, yet he was in power, yet the allies flattened the whole country, yet the swastika is banned in most countries.

                There is no reason to wave a Palestinia flag at all. Just use signs Calling for restraint and help for the civilians.

                As long as Palestinia is a thing, Hamas is as well, and their proclaimed goal is to kill all jews in Israel (or rather all citizens of Israel in general) wich makes the just as bad as the Nazi, although less capable.

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                  There is no reason to wave a Palestinia flag at all. Just use signs Calling for restraint and help for the civilians.

                  No, the point in waving a Palestinian flag is to support the recognition of an independent Palestinian state. You can support that without supporting the terrorists that appropriated it.

                  Personally, I’d like to show up with both an Israeli and Palestinian flag, but I’m worried I’d just be jumped by the extremists on either side. I think a two-state solution must be the direction we go, not just “restraint and help for civilians.” Both Israel and Palestine must be independent, but getting there is an incredibly difficult thing that may not be possible without serious concessions from both sides, which isn’t likely to happen with the current leadership on both sides.

                • NOT_RICK@lemmy.world
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                  As long as Palestinia is a thing, Hamas is as well

                  The fact that both the flag and the movement for Palestinian statehood predate Hamas significantly is evidence your claim holds little water.

  • Szymon@lemmy.ca
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    Please don’t give the idiots a soap box. Supporting Palestinian right to life and territory doesn’t mean you support the destruction of Jews or Israel.

    Believe it or not, people can come together in peace when old racist rich fucks that want power, land, and money stay out of it.

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      I don’t think burying this and pretending it didn’t happen is helpful when Jews around the world are telling us right now that they are terrified and under attack

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        Yeah it is important for us to also condemn antisemitism and make very clear that the Jewish people and the Israeli government are not the same.

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        Yeah, like there was incidents of pro Palestinia people drawing stars of David on the doors of jews or throwing molotovs into Synagogues…

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      I think it does need to be acknowledged that there is a faction of people that absolutely do support the destruction of Israel and Jews. Hamas was elected, it should be remembered.

      That absolutely does not mean that support for Palestinian statehood requires you to be opposed to Israel’s existence, but advocates for peace should be very clear that this kind of rhetoric is absolutely not tolerated. And conversely, advocates for Israel must absolutely reject the people that would support the complete removal of Palestinians from Gaza and the West Bank.

      There are extremists on all sides, and genocidal rhetoric must not be tolerated, wherever it comes from.

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          Sure, but unfortunately at present in Gaza, they are the same entity. Hamas represents Palestine there. One cannot retaliate against Hamas without harming Palestinians; there’s significant overlap in that Venn diagram. It’s like saying one supports Russia but not Putin.

          The big difference for me regarding the factions here is that although asymmetrical, one side of this conflict wants genocide and the other wants safety. Although Palestine is the underdog here and is punching up rather than punching down, I cannot see them as the good guys like I might otherwise. They are a hostile belligerent force that attacks civilians regularly and refuses to concede defeat despite having lost every war they stated with Israel since 1948. At this rate they will soon be left with nothing because they will not accept the realpolitik of their situation and their leaders historically prefer violence to viable concessions. This unwillingness to accept the inevitable consequences of their failed hostile actions will not end well for them.

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            Very elegantly put. Unfortunately, eliminating Hamas could be like trying to eliminate the Taliban from Afghanistan, where it just ends up being a hydra situation.

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        Over 50% of the population of Gaza wasn’t born when Hamas was elected. They’ve never had a choice on their leadership, and it’s a shame they didn’t take any opportunities to change the leadership before this.

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      All Evidence For the Last 70 Years from the PLO to, Fatah, Hezbollah, PIJ, and Hamas, to the contrary, naturally, or course

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        The PLO and Fatah both recognise the state of Israel and its right to exist, have given up armed struggle, and signed the Oslo Accords with Israel, accepting a peaceful political pathway to a two state solution.

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    Uneducated idiots that never visited a concentration camp and never saw the scratch marks in the walls in the “showers”.

    For the 👇 voters: you’re also a Nazi.

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    Those are not pro-palestine - protestors, clicky mcbait, those are Nazis.

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    I have to wonder how much of these are cherry picked. I don’t know a single pro palestine person who is also a nazi. I think a lot of the “pro palestinian rights = nazi” stuff is really forced and not representative of even .1% of pro palestine people. I mean there was that one huge story of some people at a pro palestine rally with a nazi flag and it turned out to have been photo-shopped