Young voters overwhelmingly say they would support President Biden over former President Trump in a hypothetical head-to-head match-up if the 2024 presidential election were held today, according to a poll released Wednesday.
In the Economist/YouGov poll — conducted via web-based interviews Dec. 16-18 — more than half (53 percent) of registered voters under 30 said they would support Biden, and less than a quarter (24 percent) said they would support Trump.
Another 10 percent said they would support another candidate, 4 percent said they were not sure, and 9 percent said they wouldn’t vote.
Young voters are being given really shitty choices.
Doesn’t matter, over half won’t be voting. Even less than normal if GOP state legislatures do away with mail in ballots or automatic mailed request forms from COVID times.
The less people who vote the more elections Republicans win.
Make sure your friends go vote (unless they’re trumpeter assholes maybe, then don’t talk about it).
Less young people voting is a direct result of the national DNC’s deeply infuriating tactic of promising a fuckton of stuff and then just abandoning those goals and… “compromising” with the GOP every single fucking time the chips are down. And here, “compromise” is pronounced “submit to”, because most Democrats have the neurological inability to understand that these days the GOP will betray them simply on principle, or because one GOP rep wants to tweet something so they can “troll the libs”. And then we all suffer for it.
We all fucking understand the stakes here. The DNC is actively pushing young voters away by using such a deeply cynical strategy and then thinking we’ll forget all about that stupidity the next time an election comes around. From where a lot of young people are standing, it looks a lot like a choice between “actively bad” and “passively bad”, and it’s hard to give a fuck about that, especially if you’re already struggling with other shit in your life, like most of our generation is to one degree or another.
Don’t get me wrong - I vote in every single election I can. But the amount of deeply, fundamentally uninspiring or even actively bad candidates I feel I’m forced to vote for, simply because they’re not a neo-Nazi or a member of the GOP is not small. And to all you vOTe fOr a ThiRD pArTY types out there: you and I both know that’s a great way to hand elections to the GOP, given how our shitty electoral system works.
The party is absolutely taking advantage of how bad their opponents have become. Democratic party leadership has regarded the left of the party with such withering contempt for so long, and then they wonder why the left resents them.
It’s super frustrating, because while I still think it’s possible to move the DNC in a more reliably progressive direction, it’s abundantly clear all the fossils in charge of the party have no intention whatsoever of going in that direction, so we either need to force them out or wait for them to die.
And in the meantime, the planet is warming and the fascists they keep “compromising” with only need to win once.
Yeah these polls always being in terms like “registered voters” or “likely voters”. Where as they really should poll “eligible to vote” instead to get full picture of the societal political mood situation.
Less than 50% voter turnout is a sign of a healthy democracy /s
Should I have added a /s ? My bad lmao, that’s on me
This is obviously sarcasm lol
This must be a joke.
Sharkfucker420, fuckin awesome username lol. Is this a joke or no?
This is a joke lol, added a /s for clarity
I wonder when this magical time was where voting for the president had great choices. What many young voters fail to understand is that it’s not all about the president. Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation, and if you send that to your far-from-ideal president’s desk, they’ll sign it.
It’s certainly a much easier task than having an awesome progressive president who begs a near 50-50 Congress to pass good bills, and it just doesn’t happen.
Get enough Democrats into Congress, and they will be able to vote for progressive legislation,
We had 60 and they killed the public option. How many do we need?
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
What is an MM?
Abbreviation for the Moral Majority that they mentioned in the first paragraph.
Thanks for explaining
Oh gotcha thanks.
Ok, so we need to force the system to change outside of its normal paths of power to have choices. No one thinks this time existed, everyone understands the current situation is bad.
People need to study how the Moral Majority took control of the GOP. Nixon was a dead duck after he lost his California Senate race, but he knew that an ex-Vice President was a big deal in small places. He campaigned tirelessly for years, getting lots of Reps, Governors, and Mayors elected. In 1968 he breezed in because he had the Party base on his side.
The MMs did the same. They would show up at every local GOP meeting with enoughvotes to get their agenda enacted. One day the Party big shots looked around and realized that all the dog catchers, county clerks, and sheriffs in their state were MMs.
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Who woulda thunk that grassroots campaign works? Even for the side that you don’t like?
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There is no exact number. The more there are, the bolder they can be.
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Please tell me you’re not talking about the two month window in 2010 where they had a filibuster-proof majority, and passed a major healthcare reform bill, but it was kneecapped because it relied on Joe Lieberman to pass. Because that’s a case where a couple more Democrats would have made a huge difference in what we would have gotten, and also turned 2 months and some change into two years. That’s my point that there’s no exact number.
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Having enough is a spectrum: the more there are, the bolder the legislation and the more likely it is to pass. So however many you get, you always fall short of doing even better with more.
Single payer healthcare had been discussed in the early stages — and it was clear they wouldn’t have 60 votes for it, so it was a non-starter. Because there were exactly 60 D/Is, there was no wiggle room. And the GOP held up the 60th Senator in the courts as long as they could because they had no wiggle room. And then Ted Kennedy had to vote for the ACA on his virtual deathbed, and after that their 60 votes were gone, so they couldn’t spend more time on healthcare or move on to other tough issues. Lieberman forced them to remove the public option from the bill.
But you are just overlooking that they did pass a major, consequential healthcare reform bill that solved some very important problems, which couldn’t be accomplished for decades before then, even though people tried.
And this all touches on my original point: a couple more Senators would have changed things significantly at that time, but a more progressive president would not have.
Yes, this is tradition.
Right? This poll is literally the same as asking young voters if they would rather have their entire heads cut off or just their eyes and ears gouged out.
He seems to be doing a pretty good job given his poor circumstances where the Republican house and supreme court are both totally useless.
He didn’t have those issues in his first two years. His own party blocked his agenda.
Wel the first two years we had the fuckheads Sinema and Manchin who are basically republicans at this point
Maybe pay attention to what’s actually happening rather than just repeating what other people say about him.
Biden is continuing to seek (and find) pathways to forgiving student loan debt, despite the Supreme Court ruling against his program. Millions of people have had their loans forgiven since that decision, and it seems more are getting it every day.
Anyone who thinks he’s senile or incoherent should listen to the interview he did on Conan O’Brien’s podcast that was released the other day. I was surprised that it went so well, and Biden was far more lucid than I’ve ever seen Trump.
I don’t think he’s senile, I just think he’s out of touch. It’s hard to be in touch as an 80-some year old man.
What on earth are you talking about? Joe Biden tried to give 20k to each of them who went to college. And he would have if the–let me check my notes here: oh, right–Nazis in the other party hadn’t sued to prevent him from giving away money.
I appreciate that Biden might not be some folks’ first choice, but if you think young people believe another four years of Grampa Joe is just barely more tolerable than the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist traitors, you might need to meet one.
Brother he’s basically a war criminal the deliberate annihilation of the Republic by fascist dictators is already happening
It doesn’t really matter in the long run, America is run by oil companies, not the people. Joe signed off on more land for drilling than trump did.
I believe those were agreements signed by Trump that Biden had to follow through on, no?
But let’s also be clear, Biden appointed the first Native Secretary of the Interior and signed the Inflation Reduction Act (the most significant climate legislation the US has ever had). Trump appointed Scott Pruitt to lead the EPA.
One will kill us slightly faster than the other. Great.
This…just absolutely this. I was going to post something along the lines of it being a choice between eating shit or being flayed alive, but this is just better. Kudos.
Wow you guys are so original 🙄
We totally are. thanks.
Sure, Biden kinda sucks, but THE ALTERNATIVE IS ACTUAL FASCISM.
I’ve been saying this for years. It’s kind of not really a choice, as much as it sucks. Let’s just hope enough people actually turn out to vote
Biden kinda sucks
Lol no he doesnt
Yeah people catastrophise so badly when it comes to politics. Biden is bland, uninspired and gaff-prone - however, he is a safe pair of hands. Just because a politician does not make you excited does not mean they suck.
He said he’d veto a bill for universal healthcare. That sucks. It just sucks less than trump saying he wants to be a fucking dictator
Weaponized apathy
I actually care very much about having a boring president, thanks.
“Kinda sucks” is not catastrophising.
No, Biden sucks and if you think he doesn’t you honestly need to turn off the crap cable news you are getting your news from.
Exhibit A, Biden essentially has taken the same path with immigration that Trump did and it is tragic and brutal. He just lets conservatives completely define the narrative “ohhh the border is OUT of control” republicans thousands of miles from the border say… and then implemented the same brutal policies. Now centrist liberals all of a sudden don’t seem to care so much about the brutality of what is happening to immigrants and their families just trying to improve their lives, but that is neoliberals for you. They care when the narrative says they should!
Also, there is the whole thing about Biden being the most powerful enabler of the horrific genocide in Palestine in the world and he seems to be totally fine with it beyond say some curt words for the murderers dropping the bombs.
Is Trump or any republican candidate worse? Absolutely, but Biden is not a great President. He is terribly suited to this moment in US politics and we can only hope everyone hates Trump enough to get Biden elected.
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You know that every POTUS since 1948, including Trump, has been a vocal supporter of Israel right?
He’s a neolib and part of the ruling class. He does kinda suck.
Nah neolibs are dope as fuck.
Also there is no ruling class.
I mean … he does. He’s not as bad as he’s made out to be on most domestic issues, keeping in mind the limited power of the presidency and the fact congress holds the majority of the power. But he’s too fucking old. He’s made mistakes, and handling Israel with kid gloves is a problem.
I’m still voting for him because:
- The alternative is a fascist takeover of the government
- It gives us 4 years to push for change, elect leftists, and organize in an environment where were fascists don’t hold overwhelming power.
- In 4 years he’ll fucking leave office on his own accord. Donald Trump (or his stand-in) absolutely won’t.
But he’s too fucking old. He’s made mistakes, and handling Israel with kid gloves is a problem.
I believe we disagree on a few of his policy choices, and what we find good or bad. Democrats are a pretty big tent
I agree with your other points, at least conceptually. They’re good reasons.
The alternative would have been a strong primary challenger, in a just world.
Im actually quite worried that Trump will be removed from all ballots by the supreme court and Biden will lose to Hailey.
I don’t think he will get removed from the ballots, at least not in current state. I feel like the argument is going to be the presumption of innocence until proven guilty; an indictment is unfortunately premature. We need to apply the law equally or we’ll get Republicans finding every way to do the same… albeit with no arguments for it.
I’d rather have Biden lose to Nikki Haley instead of Trump. Yes, I know she’s a legacy Tea Party candidate, I don’t want her, but at least she isn’t campaigning on ethnic cleansing and actually criticized R bullshit like TC&J.
She literally wants to wage war with Mexico and abolish the Department of Education, as per the first primary debate. She’s also a dangerous loon.
Ideally we would have a Democratic candidate that could wipe the floor with both of them regardless of who the GOP nominee is.
You guys aren’t going to convince anyone to vote with the lesser of evils spiel. Shit’s gonna get bad and all you had to do was pick a real candidate.
You guys aren’t going to convince anyone to vote with the lesser of evils spiel
What do you think happened in 2020?
Biden made a bunch of promises and acted like progressives and leftists actually had a seat at the table. The BBB, student loan, weed legalization, rail strike and gaza genocide have made it clear: We do not.
We gave him a chance and he gave us the finger.
You do realize that Biden can’t just declare things into law, right?
For the first two years, Biden had a Democratic House that could theoretically pass anything he wanted, but a Senate which was split nearly 50-50. If they didn’t get every vote, they could fail to pass a bill. And this doesn’t even get into the filibuster which would tank bills unless 60 votes were reached or the fact that Manchin and Sinema frequently acted to sink Democratic bills despite technically being Democrats. Biden could put some pressure on them, but his options were limited. It’s not like he could hold a gun to their heads and force them to vote on favor of bills
Since January, Biden has had a Democratic Senate with a razor thin margin and a Republican House. This threw even more wrenches in the works.
And then there’s the Supreme Court. Thanks to Mitch McConnell, Trump, and the Republicans, the Supreme Court has a huge conservative majority. So Biden can try to take action for things like forgiving student loans, but then Republicans sue, the case ends up in the Supreme Court and the conservative justices rule that Biden isn’t allowed to do this by law. (He’s managed to find a way to forgive some loans even if it wasn’t as much as he wanted to do.)
Putting all the blame on Biden and saying “he didn’t fulfill all his promises” is disingenuous. He hasn’t exactly had the Congress and Supreme Court that could support what he wanted to do. Could he have done everything anyway and proclaimed that he makes the laws now? Perhaps, but then he’d be a fascist dictator and not working within our political system - exactly the type of thing that Trump wants to do and is properly criticized for.
Buddy, you seem to misunderstand something here. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. If you want to believe Biden deserves your vote go nuts. It makes no difference to me.
But I’m telling you as someone who voted for him in the 2020 general: Fuck Joe Biden. Do whatever you want with that information. But trust no amount of these excuses will change my mind. I was already angry I had to give him a chance in 2020 after people voted for him in the primaries specifically to fuck over progressive and leftist efforts. I held up my end of the bargain. Biden and the people who elected him in the primaries did not.
Fuck Joe Biden for screwing up the BBB. Fuck Joe Biden for negotiating down from $50k student loan forgiveness. Fuck Joe Biden for waiting until after the midterms to fuck over the rail workers. Fuck Joe Biden for blocking the strike. Fuck Joe Biden for supporting Israel against our wishes.
For someone who needs the votes of people like me to win the 2024 general election he sure ain’t fucking acting like it. He can go fuck himself along with everyone who voted for him in the primaries.
Ok, so I get that you are privileged enough that you can probably ride out Trumpist fascism without much real damage, at least for a while. Just understand that there are many vulnerable people who will be seriously harmed by your decision to do anything besides voting for Biden. This isn’t dooming or trying to scare you into a vote, it’s a simple statement of fact.
If you are fine with that moral liability, then carry on.
Funny, that’s precisely how I view the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. Where’s your ire for them?
So who you voting for then?
Definitely not trump or Biden. If a decent 3rd party candidate shows I’ll go that route otherwise I’ll just write in.
People felt the absurdity. It’s been four years. The wound isn’t festering anymore.
Yeah, it’s not at all the fault of you idiots who don’t understand the realities of a two party system
like biden’s presidency
him and his vice got in office and immediately went back on campaign promises for cannabis, police reform, women’s rights, voter rights everything went to the shitter just like trump
now here we are AGAIN
and people screaming just vote HOW? not everyone has that right thanks to politicians like biden
cop city is happening under biden’s watch too
no difference with either demopublican
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
Seems like he’s only went back on one campaign promise so far. He’s compromised on a few, he’s working on a third, got stalled on a third and has kept roughly a third.
Brother there’s a mile wide difference between “couldn’t keep campaign promises” and “literally running on a platform of ‘i will be a dictator for the first day’”
As a minority who will experience an enormous difference if Republicans win, this outlook is viscerally revolting.
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Literally support ZioNazis commit Genocide
The “alternative” is Fascism.
Biden is a Fascist Nazi already.
Brutal take. Come back in 10 years after you’ve hit legal voting age.
How exactly? Give examples.
Biden has stood with the majority of the Democrats on almost every issue. If the Democrats overwhelmingly wanted to not fund Israel, he would probably stand by them. Unfortunately, most Democrats back Israel even more than Biden.
The saving grace is that Biden wants to avoid the war turning regional, making him not favor genocide done quickly. Israel can’t kick out Palestinians, as its neighbors will attack over the refugees. If Israel directly kills too many Palestinians, the neighbors will also attack. To not get dragged into a war, Biden wants the IDF to occupy Gaza and cause less collateral damage.
However, Netanyahu doesn’t want the war to deescalate, as the public will kick him and his party out once things settle down. He also doesn’t want the casualties and cost of occupying all of Gaza, as there would be more IDF fatalities. Reservists were already upset at Bibi, and if they took large enough casualties, even the military might not back him. His best option for maintaining power is to genocide Gaza and hope their neighbors don’t attack.
The US isn’t willing to withdraw support from Israel and actually motivate them to stand down. The Judeo-fascists are arrogant fools who think the US deterrent will keep them safe, but they’re playing with fire. If they directly piss off Hezbollah enough, or if they force refugees into Jordan and Egypt, or if they escalate with other Iranian backed forces, or if anyone makes a stupid blunder, everyone will pay in blood.
Biden isn’t doing anything to control israel. He has been a Zionazi for 50 years he said so himself a few days ago. He obeys Netanyahu’s will like a little dog wagging his tail. Genocide Joe is an israeli foreign agent.
The only reason israel hasn’t been invaded yet is Biden putting three aircraft carriers right next to them so they can continue their genocide with impunity. He removes all weapons restrictions on israeli war crimes while ignoring Ukraine like it doesn’t even exist anymore.
I’ve found that cartoon villaining those with shitty opinions leads people astray. You describe Biden like a bloodthirsty sociopath who gets pleasure from killing children and risking war. If you actually pay attention to liberals like him, you realize that a number of them are trying to do the right thing. Biden has a flawed view of what is right, but he’s probably not intentionally being a bad person. He probably thinks he’s as moral as he can be, sacrificing for “the greater good.”
Not every bad person lacks empathy or morals. Realizing how easy it is for you to unknowingly be the bad guy is hard. If you want an incorrect view that misses the nuance and complexity of real people, sure, remain ignorant. I can’t stop you.
JOE BIDEN BOMBS CHILDREN’S HOSPITALS FULL OF KIDS THAT ALREADY HAVE THEIR LEGS AMPUTATED FROM BEING BOMBED IN THEIR HOME!!
What the fuck is wrong with people thinking this shit is okay because it makes the military industrial complex some money holy shit.
Are you going to tell me Hitler had good intentions next??? “No we sided with the Nazi’s because that would further our strategic interests and less of our people would have to die!”
I’m not Biden as a cartoon villain. He is a cartoon villain.
I’d rather have 100.000 people die fighting the Nazis than 90.000 murdered by us joining the Nazis.
Having (what I think of as) a more accurate view of why people do evil things does not mean I think those evil things are ok. The world can sometimes be fair, life can be great, and people can be kind to one another. However, the world is often unfair, life can be cruel, and people can be awful to each other. I don’t have to like it because reality doesn’t exist for anyone. We exist inside of it and are along for the ride.
I refuse to walk away from my best understandings of reality because they aren’t pleasing. I hold a nihilist, deterministic, Hobbesian view of the world. I think we have limited freedom over our own actions and thoughts, we made up all ideas and concepts, and we can never have total certainty about anything. I embrace truths that most people refuse to acknowledge because they find those truths depressing. (I’m not superior than those people, but I am usually more correct.)
However, I still have an optimistic outlook and positive worldview. I think we can overcome our flaws and create a far fairer world. There is no God who cares about us or will save us, but we can save ourselves and care deeply about each other. The fact that there is no objective right and wrong doesn’t mean our morality and ethics are useless. There is no higher meaning outside our constructions, so the meaning we create is the highest meaning there is. We can damn well respect and believe in what we make.
I fully believe that Biden does evil shit, but malice and enjoyment of suffering probably don’t drive him. I won’t delude myself into thinking every evil action is done by a fundamentally evil person. Some people are genuinely evil, but most are not. Many people simply believe in evil systems of morality. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t do what is necessary to stop them. A misguided killer and a sadistic killer will both threaten your life, so you can kill them both to defend yourself.
Punishment and responsibility are not inherently meaningful. Punishment and accountability can keep people from causing future harm. Assigning responsibility can reinforce values. Brutal punishment can even scare people into submission. However, you can’t make someone feel bad for their actions if they don’t want to. Making them suffer can only help you feel better.
Justice shouldn’t be thought of as righting the past. We can only make things better in the future. We should hang up the classic idea of justice for one that can actually materialize. Otherwise, justice will never be achieved in any way.
So you’re voting for the Genocide guy again???
That’s how you are going to achieve justice?
You would unironically humanize Hitler if he was alive. Genocide Joe is a scum of the earth piece of shit. I don’t care how much you think he looks like a warm grandpa. Biden should burn in hell along with Mao and Stalin.
Young voters overwhelmingly prefer the guy who’s not actively trying to destroy the future, how shocking!
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Biden is literally trying to destroy the future. He has personally approved many new fossil fuel extraction sites including a pipeline that climate scientists have dubbed a climate time bomb
Trumps stated first step is to “drill drill drill” so please explain why this isn’t an effort to dissuade from the better option?
Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment? Your argument is a straw man. The OP said that Biden was not trying to destroy the world. I informed him that Biden is trying to destroy the world, simple as that.
Did I mention trump anywhere in my comment?
No one said you did.
Biden isn’t trying to destroy the world. Everything isn’t black and white no matter how much you want it to be. We’re back in the Paris Climate Accords despite how the man-baby in the previous administration pulled out because Obama.
I mean, if you want to argue that we are going to destroy the world no matter what, we could speedrun it by electing the fascist who wants to destabilize the entire world by pulling out of NATO. I however would prefer to live out the remainder of my natural life instead of nuclear Armageddon deciding for me.
Which is why republicans are trying so hard to push the idea of not being able to vote until you’re much older.
cause they want to cut off the youth vote, because they’d rather disenfranchise tens of millions and get rid of democracy than risk having to change their positions.
The youth vote, the minority vote, the poor vote, the mail-in vote… Really they just don’t seem to like the concept of voting altogether
they only want landed billionaires to vote.
Well it’s hardly surprising.
It’s like preferring a slice of unbuttered slightly stale bread, to a literal dogshit on a stick, being waved around by others with shit all over their faces, knowing that if they eat enough, you’ll have to eat double.
I hear ya. So many would literally eat a shit sandwich if it meant a liberal had to smell their breath.
Eew that doesn’t sound hygienic.
I don’t particularly prefer Biden, but he’s much more preferable than these crazy nazi Republicans running against him
Every week it’s a different poll with a different result and a different headline. All I’m learning is that these polls are meaningless.
There haven’t been many disasters and the news orgs need the clicks
Man, the level of statistics illiteracy here is out of control. I hope y’all are just literal children that are still in pre-algebra or something.
ITT: right wing Poe’s law trolls pretending to be leftists.
Noooo russianpsyop.org told me young people hate Biden now, don’t bother voting!
I hecking looove Genocide! Morals and values? Never had em! Let’s stop pretending everyone!
Don’t let the Russian psyop tell you you care about Arab children being bombed they are brainwashing you!!!
You don’t have to like Biden to know that he’s the only valid choice
You vote for a racist ZioNazi if you vote for Biden. He is no longer a valid choice the mask is off.
Are you suggesting Trump is a valid choice?
Crickets lmao
Third party or no vote is a valid choice.
Plenty of other options out there.
Quit trolling with that bullshit
That’s weird, that would be the same thing Russian propaganda tells me to do.
First-past-the-post realistically cannot support more than a two-party system, and I will always vote for the candidate to the left, who just happens to be Joe Biden. Not voting and third parties get us Trump.
3rd party or no vote in a 2 party FPTP system is a vote for the candidate polling higher. You’re just throwing your right to vote away.
You are voting for a russian asset, who is a traitor, and who likes nazis… so what?
Some of us may vote for Claudia de la Cruz.
Heck, the republican party, known for always been pro Israel, suddenly are pro palestinians, and it only took a democrat president to claim for cease fire and his indecisive arguments on the topic to change their minds… oh no wait, they are not pro palestinians, they are just a bunch of hypocrites, who only say that because it is always something to critique a Democrat president.
People are acting like Joe Biden is the first president to ever support Israel. Literally EVERY potus, including Trump, since the creation of Israel in 1948 has supported Israel.
None have supported this level of Nazi genocide. Israel has always at least pretended.
Genocide Joe sees the IDF terrorists bombing children’s hospitals and then does everything in his power to remove the war crime restrictions on the weapons he wants to send israel.
Biden is pure walking evil.
Don’t let the Russian psyop tell you you care about Arab children being bombed they are brainwashing you!!!
This but unironically
Wait, just yesterday young voters didn’t like Biden? I’m beginning to think that maybe the news is all made up 🤪
Liking Biden and voting for Biden can be two separate things.
This is very true
Still true, no one likes Biden. The alternative just happens to be an evil dictator.
I don’t think that is true. It’s like saying you don’t like a Honda Accord because Ferraris exist. Sure you want everything, but you’ll still appreciate the Accord over the Nike Express.
Its the difference of sitting in an ugly car VS sticking an industrial wood chipper up my ass and turning it on. Ill take the ugly car.
Sure. Biden at least does SOME good. He’s not a Bernie or the shakeup we wanted. But it’s far better than the Cheeto.
Sabata hates ugly cars! How dare you make fun my mom’s old Chevy Cavalier!
It’s a fallacy of polling. They only had two choices here. The correct interpretation is they prefer him over Trump, but do not like him.
If we had ranked ballot this would be my vote:
- John Stewart
- A tree stump
- Biden
I don’t like Biden much either, but a tree stump is just unkind. We needed Bernie Sanders, not another TV celebrity. (I do love me some John though)
Love John, but he won’t do it. He’s said in multiple interviews that his place is outside the establishment generating the public will to act, which he couldn’t do as a politician. I don’t blame him. He seems to be more effective at getting change done than most senators or even presidents.
Wait… Tree Stump is running?
Not made up. Just a large population.
I could write an article about how Biden is really a cat and find people on the street to provide quotes for it.
So you’re saying it’s not literally made up, but effectively made up?
Unless it’s literary, then it’s both?
I read an article earlier this week that actually explains this. They had a result that young people preferred Trump to Biden – but when they narrowed in on likely voters, it flipped to Biden. They noted that the individuals who preferred Trump tended to not vote in 2020.
Make of this what you will. I’m not entirely sure myself how to interpret this.
Which is funny, because I read almost the opposite. These people are just making everything up.
There’s a difference between voting for him and liking him. He’s an awful person but the alternative is Trump, so there’s not even as choice there
I prefer getting a finger cut off, as opposed to an arm.
Doesn’t mean I want to lose my finger.
Regardless of how you feel about the candidates the important thing is to actually vote. Going around and saying “well they both suck” doesn’t help anyone.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
Always vote, even if the news or anyone else tells you the candidate you want is a sure thing, vote even if the candidate you don’t want seems like a shoe-in.
Hillary vs trump was the first election in which I could vote, but I refrained on account of not wanting to vote for a giant douche or a shit sandwich. I will never make that mistake again…
I’m not a Biden fan, but I voted for him last election and will eagerly do so again this next cycle.
I also want to point out that the gap between the “lesser of two evils” has turned into the Grand fucking Canyon following trump’s attempts to overthrow our government to remain in power, and platforming on literal fascism…
It’s a vote for democracy or neonazi fascism. Period.
I don’t know why the Onus is literally never on our politicians to do better. We always have the threat of some worse force to keep us in line.
The public selects the representation every few years, the public votes them out that’s a form of being held accountable. If people ignore their right to vote then that can let people abuse their positions or cause people to pander only to people who actually vote since those are the people keeping them in. D
Just like Calarado had done there should be a “none of the above” option.
Not voting then getting the greater of two evils from your perspective is your own fault.
I’m no longer entertaining this perspective since people like you never have anything bad to say about people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries. A vote for Biden in the primaries was a vote specifically made to fuck over progressive and leftist efforts. You’ve got endless energy available to lecture us but none for the people who fucked us over? Pound sand.
Respectfully, I think you’re misunderstanding my comments. It’s anyone’s right to hate how or who anyone else voted for. But not voting at all and getting upset with the outcome is your own fault.
Any person should be encouraging every other person that they know to exercise their right to select an official. Ignoring that right because you feel it’s futile or because your super sure what you want will happen is a breakdown in democracy.
I don’t really care who or how anyone votes but they all should be doing it.
But not voting at all and getting upset with the outcome is your own fault.
I voted for Biden in the 2020 general election and I’m upset with the outcome. So in 2024 I won’t be voting for Biden and I won’t be upset with the outcome.
So it doesn’t affect me at all but may I ask why you wouldn’t decide to vote for an independent, or the republican party.
Really you should vote for whomever most closely aligns with your governing preferences. Ultimately if you dislike the platform of every party, then it should be a decision about which most closely aligns with what you’re looking for.
If you were deciding what to eat it doesn’t really matter if you don’t like the options, eventually you have to choose something or someone else will choose for you.
Again I’m not endorsing any party or platform, I don’t care about how you choose to cast your vote. I just think that everyone should vote, even if it doesn’t align with my preferences or voting choices, which again I’m not saying I endorse any party specifically.
Oh. Perhaps I’ve misunderstood you as you tried to explain to me earlier. I’ll be voting third party so if that’s all you were encouraging me to do I apologize for misunderstanding you.
Yep, vote however you want, I don’t care, just go and vote.
I’m no longer entertaining this perspective since people like you never have anything bad to say about people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries.
How exactly do you intend to win future primaries and elections without any of these voters? You have endless energy to criticize moderates about how they need to earn your vote and be higher quality candidates and represent you – what about leftist candidates?
As long as you hold this double standard, you’re not going to go anywhere. Moderate voters are not obedient little sheep, and progressive candidates are not entitled to moderate votes. If it isn’t progressives’ fault when moderates lose, then it isn’t moderates’ fault when progressives lose.
You aren’t losing a finger, you’re being forced to accept that your politics don’t align with most of your fellow citizens.
Frederick Douglas couldn’t even vote, but he worked for politicians who couldn’t promise to end slavery.
Don’t align with most of your fellow citizens that vote, specifically. And they’re the only ones that count in this case.
Sounds like you think you can win the 2024 general election without our help then. Best of luck.
If you’re petty enough to roll over and let fascism win, you were never someone who could be relied on anyway.
And yet, apparently the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries are relying on our votes because he wouldn’t have won the general without us.
Based on what you know about the GOP, what makes you think that there will even be an election in 2028 it they gain power in 2024?
I don’t. Question is, why did the people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries think they could fuck us over and then turn around and expect our votes?
Do you think you can win primary and general elections without their help? Petulance only begets petulance.
Petulance
Do you want our votes or not? This ain’t the way to do it.
This entire thread is literally about how there aren’t very many of “your votes”
Sounds like you think you don’t need us to win the 2024 election then.
Exactly my point.
Awww is the Boomer upset that someone doesn’t just do what they’re told? Gonna throw a little fit and insist you’re the grown up and therefore you make all the rules?
Typical.
you’re being forced to accept that your politics don’t align with most of your fellow citizens.
I think younger people are being forced to accept their politics don’t align with most of their fellow citizens who vote and have money. Statistically this means older citizens.
If there’s anything good coming out of the last two presidential elections I think it’s that younger citizens are becoming more active and galvanizing them to vote and be heard.
In an ideal world, maybe the votes would be weighed by the expected remaining life span of the voter.
Offset by the expected wisdom of the voter.
Minus the quotient of easily swayed by social media disinformation idiocy
If the change in vote numbers on the R side from 2016 to 2020 is anything to go by, it still skews younger voters having more power.
Imagine being there in 2020 and saying “yeah, I want more of that”
Young people prefer Joe over the guy LITERALLY ADVERTISING TYRANNY AS A FEATURE? What a fucking surprise.
If that’s the case, hopefully they get out and vote.
“Prefer” doing a lot of work here
That’s cool, as long as they actually follow through and vote when the time comes.
They won’t
