At risk of beating the dead horseā¦
These god damn liberals keep harping over how Joe Biden is the ālesser evilā compared to Donald Trump, necessitating that we go out and vote for him come November lest our flawless democratic system give way to fascism. āSomething something incrementalism purity test push him left do you want Trump to win???ā
In 2020, it could be feasibly argued, if poorly, that Joe Biden was, in fact, the ālesser evil.ā Donald Trump was the president, and Joe Biden was not. Given the dual assumption that Donald Trump was a āsubstandardā president and that Biden would likely be at least āstandardā quality, this made some sense. But the cards are on the table now. All of our most fearful suspicions about a Biden presidency have been utterly validated, and thatās not even counting all the atrocities people scarcely imagined him committing or lacked the capacity to predict altogether. He is more evil than we could have possibly known.
All these same libs are now in a bind. Apparently, Biden HAS to be the Democratic ticket, so he HAS to be elected president, because otherwise Trump would win, and that would be bad, wouldnāt it? The only problem is that Biden, the Anointed One, quite literally has no redeeming qualities. So what do you do to convince people to vote for Biden in spite of literally every crime he has committed and every promise he neglected to fulfill?
The most popular strategy is seemingly to just insist, with zero supporting evidence or even reasoning, that Trumpās America is just an objectively worse version of Bidenās America. Everything will be worse under Trump. Everything. Yes, Biden has failed in almost every respect and has actively worked against what he promised to his constituents, and yes, nothing has improved under Biden and in fact almost everything has generally become worse, but Trump will do all those bad things even harder! So you have to vote for Biden. Or youāre making the world worse. You fascist.
At risk of being the Russian troll living inside everyoneās walls, can we take a moment to appreciate the degree to which the discourse has degenerated? āVote for the lesser evilā used to mean that we were expected to make ācompromisesā with politicians we didnāt completely agree with or even took some issues with to avoid aggressive fragmentation within the Democratic Party, a sacrosanct institution representing all that is good in the world. This is perhaps the first election Iāve ever seen where we are not even being promised marginal progress. We are not even being offered different poisons to pick. The same toxic politics of the fascist right have been watered down by the āadults in the room,ā and we are expected to not only drink but be thankful itās not even more concentrated than it is.
Vote Biden 2024: It could be worse!
I can take it a step further and make a coherent argument for why a second trump term wouldāve been better for leftist organising in the US. Itās a bit of a speculative hot take, but thereās some evidence to it.
If you look at the state of mainstream liberal discourse in the United States prior to the 2020 election, we had a fairly mainstream movement that had formed challenging the police state, we had constant admonitions of the states inhumane migrant policies (ākids in cagesā), we had daily critiques from the liberal media of the stateās actions against protestors, and the second biden won, it all disappeared.
Immigrants didnāt stop being in cages, in fact a bunch of them are trapped without food, water, or bathrooms between the border fences right now, nobody cares. The entire state has shifted further right than ever before on immigration, abortion is gone, LGBTQ stuff isnāt doing well, the country is supporting a genocide, and the ādefund the policeā thing is long dead and buried.
Meanwhile, the familes in my city that lost their loved ones to the cops are still standing their with their brotherās face on a shirt wondering where all the #BLM people went.
So I think there is an argument that can be made that everybody goes out to brunch during the democrats turn, and it leads to more and more atrocities occuring and just never being challenged, whereas at least under trump, these things were called out and at least in the public conscience.
Trump forces the libs to at least pretend theyāre on our side, and it drives a few of them to our side for real too
I was thinking along similar lines. Liberals were terrified when Trump was in office. Under Biden, they seem mostly terrified of Trump being in office again. In spite of the material differences between the two presidencies being not that substantial; I say not that substantial in the meaning that most US presidents are not that substantially different. They do a handful of things differently, but they all continue the same colonial/imperialist agenda.
The only substantial difference I see between the two is that the brand of rightism behind Trump seems to want to formalize a totalitarian state. This is where, and I am open to disagreement if anyone thinks Iām falling for liberal narratives here, that the argument of similarity to the formation of nazi germany has some legitimacy. But the part liberals donāt get is that the US is already obscenely, systematically and systemically awful and has been for the entirety of its existence. It arguably can be worse, but itās not as though the formation of a different brand of fascism is the end of a peopleās democracy; it would be more like finally taking the mask off in full, shredding the thin veneer of āfreedomā that the US clings to in its constitutional fetishizing and branding. The more immediate harm that could arguably occur from such is serious, but liberals also have a tendency to drastically misunderstand and downplay the harm that is already occurring now and has been occurring throughout US history.
But because they downplay, misunderstand, and trivialize, liberalsā fear of Trump more resembles fear of a specter than fear of deteriorating conditions of safety and security for regular people, which are happening regardless of who is in office and which have been preceded by a variety of horrific conditions already.
I honestly canāt tell about the stuff regarding trump and wanting to formalise like the fascist state and whatever like āthreaten democracyā thing the libs say.
itās very hard to know imo what actual threat exists there. like I mean I guess the guy could try to stay in power too long, but Iām not really sure what materially that would do? I think the people who are really gonna pay the cost for this stuff are immigrants and I think theyāll pay the cost regardless of whoās in power based on bidens very open insane shift to the right on that. obviously like foreign policy is shit anyways, the palestinians are gonna pay the price no matter what.
in terms of issues like LGBTQ rights, womenās rights, other minority rights, thatās all measurably worse across the country than it was in 2020, and I honestly think the public is tired of hearing about it. Americans āacross the aisleā seem to have plenty of anti immigrant sentiment tho.
I guess what I mean is that like, if trump stays in power for a decade, weāre all still gonna go to our wage worker jobs, struggle to afford housing and healthcare, immigrants will be locked up and the cops will be racist murderers so, like what does it even matter.
I do kinda hope that getting rid of the illusion of choice might help radicalise people idk. I usually do vote in some elections especially locally but tbh after the genocide and all this shit I just threw the thing away this year, Iām done with all of it
Even there, Iād argue that the Democrats, ācentrists,ā and faux-left have done more than Trump ever did in actually transitioning the US in such a direction, all in the name of avoiding the scary orange man and various hyped-up āthreats to democracyā likeā¦ the peaceful development of China and the global south, actual leftists and anti-war/anti-genocide sentiment, TikTok, and the increasingly mainstream demands for of any sort of accountability, transparency, or economic reform.
Other than that, I agree, the āsubstantialā difference between Trump and the liberals, is that Trump says nastier things about those he targets- and he actually stirs up hate against the LGBT community, Muslims, immigrants, etc. in this sense. Trump is the demagogue, and the liberals are the backstabbing politicians whose sole selling point is that they wonāt engage in the same level of demagoguery. But theyāre both clearly, willfully totalitarian, equally with a promise of violence and the tyranny of capital- the liberals are (outside of the LGBT community and bodily autonomy for women- major issues, granted) every bit as bad, and certainly willing to stir up anti-Chinese, anti-Palestinian, etc. hate. And ultimately- apart from the LGBT community and womensā rights as mentioned above- both are warmongers; both will crack down on the border and exploit migrants all the same; both are guaranteed to further rollback Americansā rights (or perhaps more accurately, āprivileges,ā considering how easily and frequently they are taken away) and in the Democratsā case, when they get to it, they tend to receive little mainstream pushback even when their actions are far worse than that of the American ārightā- because theyāve positioned themselves as the (false) āleftā side of things, and theyāre āas good as it getsā and the ācompromiseā party, and people are told they just have to just deal with it and all the other bullshit ālesser evilā reasonings and excuses they promote.