• EnderMB@lemmy.world
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    7 months ago

    What?

    I’ve watched people shoplift food several times, and they weren’t poor people just looking to eat. I watched someone run out of a M&S store and into an awaiting car with a huge bag full of meat around Christmas time, probably several hundred pounds worth.

    If someone was stealing a loaf of bread or something for themselves, I didn’t see a thing, but let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money. Lots of people steal stuff to resell, or because they’re just dicks…

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      7 months ago

      Don’t really care about some corporations losing out on their margins after nickel and diming everyone as high as they possibly can. Especially if the end result is someone or multiple people eating.

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        Here they’ve had shittier protections against shoplifting, no bags to shops and whatnot because junkies kept stealing expensive meats and cheese to sell. It sucks. Here they’re even given money to live on, housing, free food and whatnot. Hasn’t stopped it.

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          junkies

          What a disgusting dehumanizing term. Drug addiction is a much greater issue that needs more than reactionary remarks and actions to solve. A good number are literally that desperate for money because they’ll literally die from withdrawals without whatever it is they’re addicted to. And so long as they’re being non-violent then I empathize with their struggle.

          Again, I don’t at all care about some large corporate store getting stolen from. Actions like banning bags and whatnot mean little in the face of human suffering.

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            Narkomaani -> narkkari, narkkari -> junkie. For me it’s a shorthand rather than an attempt to make them feel bad about it.

            A good number are literally that desperate for money because they’ll literally die from withdrawals without whatever it is they’re addicted to

            We have fairly extensive benefits programs (money, housing, programs for addiction, mental health, many sorts) but the thing about drug addiction is that it drains all the money you have. That’s why so often addicts are also stealing stuff to get more money for drugs. Sucks for them but also sucks for others who get their shit stolen. Especially bikes get stolen a lot by junkies. And sucks that because of the stealing some stores are having harder time justifying the expenses, which can lead to shops closing. I don’t think it’s ever been the sole reason here but it has been one of the reasons.

            Again, I don’t at all care about some large corporate store getting stolen from. Actions like banning bags and whatnot mean little in the face of human suffering.

            It sucks as a shopper that things are worsening because of stealing. And it’s a co-op I was thinking of so it’s not really that sort of faceless corporation. I just voted in the co-op elections, actually.

            It would be easier to empathize if they were stealing to eat instead of getting more money for drugs. Or if we had the US style system where benefits and social programs barely exist. But that’s not the case.

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              If people are stealing for drugs then it means that the system in place isn’t meeting their current needs. The problem for a lot of addicts is that they either steal and cheat for drugs or die. Withdrawals literally have the capability to kill addicts. I don’t believe in any circumstance we should be holding money ahead of human lives.

              It’s a shame when people are stolen from, but it’s a tragedy when people die. And a system that doesn’t allow an avenue for actual recovery is a failed system.

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                If people are stealing for drugs then it means that the system in place isn’t meeting their current needs.

                I don’t know what I’d honestly add on top of what we now have in Finland. Housing, money, food programs, clean needles, addiction programs, programs to manage your life, all sort of stuff. What would you change or add?

                The problem for a lot of addicts is that they either steal and cheat for drugs or die. Withdrawals literally have the capability to kill addicts.

                We have free replacement drugs available to addicts. So you could get that for your withdrawals without having to steal. But many steal instead. Not sure how I’d change the system to get them to pick the replacement drugs instead of stealing.

                And a system that doesn’t allow an avenue for actual recovery is a failed system.

                What about the system in Finland doesn’t allow for actual recovery?

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                  Drugs in general are still illegal to possess and use under Finnish law. You need to decriminalize drug use before you can actually tackle it since it’s a health/psychology issue when it comes to the individual.

                  It’s hard to seek out proper help when you’re worried that you’ll be arrested/fined just for being an addict.

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        7 months ago

        This isn’t Robin Hood. These are two guys that clearly wanted to steal food at a peak time to sell it elsewhere. The same number of people are eating, possibly less so because these guys are probably flogging their stolen shit in a pub somewhere and will likely dump what they can’t sell.

        This place is so weird sometimes. I don’t know if it’s a Lemmy or American thing, but this kind of stuff is pretty common in the UK…

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          Grocery stores dump hundred of pound of still edible food into the garbage each and every day. And no one is eating less because of thefts from the grocery store. The main reason people are starving right now is because their grocery bill spiked and extra $100-200 for absolutely no reason other than pure greed that they were able to blame on “inflation”.

          Your problem isn’t with the addicts, its with the system that is ever antagonistic towards its people. Addicts can be hard people to deal with, but they’re still people. Now obviously if they’re acting violently there’s no excuse for action like that. But if they’re just taking food why should I care?

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      7 months ago

      but let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money.

      Perhaps it’s safe to say they’re poor. Poor people often don’t have enough money. Still sounds like a job of desperation.

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        Desperation to avoid getting a real, legal job, maybe.

        Perhaps it’s safe to say they’re poor.

        It is not. I’ve seen these scumbags’ subreddit, I’ve seen their Tumblr tags. They’re not poor, they’re just scumbag thieves.

        An actual poor person stealing necessities because they have no other choice does NOT have this ridiculous entitled mindset.

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            It’s amazing, isn’t it, that there are people out there who think that poor people enjoy it for the benefits…

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              Please, everyone knows the vast majority of you thieves and those cheering them on aren’t even poor, you’re just immoral scumbags who feel entitled to the things you steal. I’ve seen the subreddit, I’ve seen the Tumblr tags. You’re not fooling me, trying to mix yourselves in with those stealing because they have no other way to survive.

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      I watched someone run out of a M&S store and into an awaiting car with a huge bag full of meat around Christmas time, probably several hundred pounds worth.

      And yet Google tells me that M&S has a revenue of £11.93 billion.

      So why are you caring about them losing a few hundred of that?

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        Because others can’t buy meat because some bellends wanted to steal it to sell during Christmas?

        I don’t give a fuck about M&S losing profit. I do give a fuck about obvious crime that puts people out…

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          Are you unaware of the amount of meat that gets thrown out by grocery stores? In the US, it’s billions of pounds a year.

          I highly doubt they ran out of the store with an amount that did more than make someone’s job easier that night, or force someone to pivot their dinner to a different cut of meat.

          Like, I get it. I do. It’s a lot of money, and it’s against the law. But the idea that someone is going to go hungry because of the action is ridiculous.

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      7 months ago

      let’s not pretend that people aren’t stealing to make some money

      When you rob one grocery store of a 10 lb brisket, its called shoplifting.

      But when you rob every grocery store of 10% of their net revenue, its called paying your shareholders a dividend.