Try to keep all US election-posting here.
I’m gonna be honest.
Even though I didn’t like Kamala, I still view the overall result as a tragedy for the working-class, as the cultural zeitgeist will likely change following this.
At first, i agreed with the explanations based on the lack of cohesion of the democratic party, and the influence of Palestine, on the votes :
With most votes counted, the 2024 election elected D.Trump with ~73M votes vs. ~68M for K.Harris, compared to 2020 when D.Trump was rejected despite having the same numbers(, 74.2M,) and J.Biden was elected with 81.3M votes.
Furthermore, D.Trump would have received less votes without influent people like Robert Kennedy Jr. on his side, who still received votes apparently.
However, third parties like the libertarian party or the Green party received much more votes in 2016 than in 2024(, and the republican&democratic parties much less). Having gained 1M votes at most wouldn’t have that much of an impact.
(I’ve also sometimes heard(, mostly twitter, but here’s msnbc,) that the 2.5M muslim-americans voted D.Trump in opposition but that’s not supported(source), even if J.Stein should have obtained much more if these surveys were trustworthy).
While i can’t deny the influence of many pro-Palestine actors, i can’t really prove it by the numbers either, and some deny its importance. Also, the high voter turnout doesn’t favor the alternative of a boycott.
I only took a superficial look, so i don’t doubt that there’re many americans here who could easily correct my mistakes if they want toPeople didn’t feel like voting for Kamala, so instead of voting for Trump they stayed home.
Ideally, stats by categories would be more useful to draw a conclusion, but at first sight it doesn’t seem so though :
It says those are expected vote totals for states where less than 97 percent of the vote has been counted. Trump is gonna end up with some 73.000.000 votes, while Kamala has 68.000.000 right now, Biden received 81.200.000 in 2020. That’s 14 million fewer votes overall than in 2020. That sounds to me like a lot of Dem voters didn’t show up.
It says those are expected vote totals for states where less than 97 percent of the vote has been counted
We may have understood it the same way, yet just to be sure : The turnout is counted normally, except for states where less than 97% of the votes are counted, in which case the reported turnout has been replaced by the expected turnout.
That sounds to me like a lot of Dem voters didn’t show up
You’re right, if they didn’t voted for third parties, if the votes are mostly counted, if the voter turnout is the same, and if republicans didn’t received more votes than in 2020, then where did these 14M votes went ?
Thanks for confirming that i’m missing something, don’t know if you or someone here have the explanation.Well, they haven’t counted all the votes yet, but it seems that 158.000.000 total votes were cast according to an analyst from UFL, who gets info from the bureau of elections or whatever. If Trump has 73M and Kamala has 68M votes, some 2.4M have voted third party. I guess that means there are still some 14.5 million votes to be counted.
Which seems like a lot, doesn’t it? I don’t know what’s going on, perhaps we’re making some error somewhere.
14 million write-ins for our boy Xi.
And if they don’t have the same source, it confirms the WaPo’s 65% with its 64.52%(, in the VEP_TURNOUT_RATE column)
we’re making some error somewhere
Yeah, you’re right, it’s too obvious, anyone can do 72.6M+68M+2.2M and easily see that it’s only ~143M out of 158.5, so we’re indeed making an obvious mistake somewhere. They’re probably simply not counted yet, as you said(, California is slow here).
“RESUME THE COUNT!” - blue MAGA probably
While it is probably just that they werent counted yet can we atleast entertain the funniest outcome which is that after 4 years of yelling about how the election was stolen from him Trump actually stole the election, and hacked the voting machines or something? And a lot of the missing votes were fake? I just think it would be so funny I’d love to see how liberals reacted to that once its revealed. Like theyd probably just go “well shucks guess next time we wont let that happen”.
If they were votes for third parties, then they would have shown up by now.
For all Americans here, don’t forget the results don’t matter much, the fight continues and bourgeois democracy will never truly represent you anyway.
All this electoralism talk just makes me go like
They’ll pay for their crimes one day.
While you are talking about the destruction of America, is the True God of Christianity, Yahweh, already selling America to social liberals and flooding American with immigrants of mixed-European origin and non-European origin as punishment for their fake school death camp genocides against Indigenous people and their refusal to confess that the Nazi Holocaust is a cheap imitation of the ongoing war crimes by the Western European empires and British diaspora?
I can’t believe Hitler beat Hitler, this is the end of democracy
They’re the same picture
if trump wins do libs immediately pretend to be pro-palestine?
No, they’re going to double down on pro Israel talking points and blame the Tankies and our *checks notes* belief that humans shouldn’t be genocided, for not voting for genocide enough.
so they gonna side with trump? maybe the topic will get dropped by all media
It really depends. If the actual left can keep the pressure on and keep Palestinian genocide loud enough that the media HAS to cover it, they’ll handwringingly side with Trump, otherwise they’ll try to ignore it as much as possible and use the same tactics they use when covering police murdering minorities when they absolutely MUST cover it.
It’ll be a tough decision. Do they immediatly start opposing it and have to awkwardly state at their shoes when people ask why they dont have a problem doing it while Biden is still president or do they wait until January and have the same awkward reaction when people ask why this wasn’t a problem 25 hours ago but it is now.
They’re going to immediately pretend that they have always felt this way. Don’t you know that we’ve always been at war with Eurasia?
Edit: I lost the plot in the response, I still agree with my original comment but I’m leaving this one for posterity lol. My original point is that the liberals will keep spouting pro Israeli propaganda and blame pro Palestinian activists for the loss, completely ignoring that the Dems continue to move right over and over leaving the progressive portion of their base behind in pursuit of stealing Republican votes.
Yep, Trump will say that he supports Israel, and liberals will act like they’ve supported palestine this whole time, relying on some vague meaningless statements by Harris.
yup thats what i think its going to happen
I’m guessing the pivot will be something like “I support Israel, but not now; not like this”. Probably a little more polished because party hacks need to justify their paychecks.
Ah, the Bernie strat. “I support Israel’s right to defend itself but it’s killed too many children so I need to handwring about it”
They will go with "We opposed Biden doing it, but with Biden we had the chance to push him left! We should have just given Harris everything she wanted, and then push her left! It’s worked so well in the past!
So goddamn maddening how these people don’t pay attention to anything except for vibes. Liberals are gonna continue to get us all killed.
If Trump wins the libs will just say everyone that dies under Trump deserved it for not staning Harris hard enough.
Ugh I wish there was a way both of them could win 🥺💕 I just like them both so much! Best of luck to the both of you 🥰
Whatever the outcome, we can be proud that everyone gave 110% and did their best! Hopefully there won’t be any hard feelings, and they can shake hands with the winner after.
Beyond everything else, this election will finally prove to everyone that Democracy™ works. Burgerlanders will cheer unanimously at the success of the system and realise the true spirit of elections are the twitter accounts they screamed at along the way.
Whatever the outcome, I’m willing to do a reach-around across the aisle.
XD
LETS GO BIDEN #RIDINWITHBIDEN #WRITEINBIDEN
He is the only one who can defeat Trump, you guys convinced me! A vote for Harris is a vote for Trump!
🤣
Honestly man I can’t even say I am shocked. Saw it coming from miles away.
You mean to say that –
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switching candidates halfway through the election
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having your replacement candidate be one of the few people somehow less popular than Biden
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having said candidate go around openly endorsing genocide
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telling leftists to ignore this, because genocide isn’t really a big deal
– isn’t some kind of winning strategy to Unite the Left?
Honestly, imo they lost the election before Gaza even entered the mainstream conversation. The Dems the past 4 years have exhibited nothing but betrayal after betrayal of their constituency. From record deportations of immigrants, to crushing labor strikes, to escalating the trade war with China, to deceiving the public about COVID relief, to bungled natural disaster responses, to lying about Biden’s obvious cognitive decline, etc.
Gaza was just the nail in the coffin.
can’t forget just completely dropping the ball on the most popular campaign promises (enshrining reproductive rights, student debt relief)
The funniest part is that
- switching candidates halfway through the election
- having your replacement candidate be one of the few people somehow less popular than Biden
Isn’t a wholly accurate representation, as she surged after initially replacing Biden because she briefly represented “hope and change” …then she immediately threw all that momentum away to try and win over racist right wingers as a black woman.
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That’s cause you’re not in a cult. :)
If the election of a single person can spell the end of your “democracy,” how democratic really was it in the first place?
Considering one of the major candidates didn’t even go through anything resembling a primary process, I am going with “not very”.
Am I right, do I win?
The funny thing is they could’ve ran a lightning election, but the Democratic Party is terrified about, “what if voters don’t choose the anointed candidate?!”
What are you saying you can run an election in less than 4 months?
Yeah, before Harris there was discussion of doing a lightning primary with just mail-in votes or at least settling at the convection instead of just anointing Kamala.
Similar train of thought, the other day I was posing a question to someone who can be pretty lib, like, if the republicans are such a terrible fascist threat, why aren’t the powers in charge doing more to suppress them? Instead of just letting them do what they want electorally and being like “we’ll vote them out.” I think I actually got through to them a bit on that specific point. Like existential threat to “democracy”, supposedly, but we’re gonna let em do a popularity contest and get power that “takes away democracy”, what sense does that make.
You godless commies should have Pokémon Gone to the polls, now everyone will DIE and it is your fault.
You better Pokemon-GO fuck a cactus buddy. (I agree with you but I wanted to type out what I said.)
all this is happening because you commies didn’t walk to a polling place and vote on that thang
They didn’t walk tuah to a polling place I think you mean
Looking forward to getting over all this crap so people can finally start campaigning for the midterms immediately
Unfortunately since trump is probably gonna win, we’re gonna have at least a month of liberal meltdowns pointing the fingers at russia, the green party, muslims, etc.
After which time, here’s hoping they don’t dare to call themselves The Resistance again.
It cannot possibly be Harris doing everything in her power to throw this election, with the sole exception MAYBE of picking Walz as VP over Shapiro…
Time will tell.
Well… dems on Twitter are salivating over a completely flattened Gaza as revenge for their loss. Very cool…
Yup. Saw a few of them already saying they look forward to buying property in ethnically cleansed Gaza/West Bank.
Also this:
They really cannot keep their masks on can they?
To them anti-fascism is just a vibe, and social justice causes just an aesthetic, a way to signal team loyalty. When push comes to shove and they get scratched, all of their feigned sympathy with the oppressed goes out the window and they become foaming at the mouth Nazis indistinguishable from MAGA.
anti-fascism IS just a vibe to them but fascism itself is too, I would argue lol. According to them fascism is when you say mean things about minorities on twitter and complain about woke, definitely has nothing to do with imperial shrinkage and what happens when empires run out of gas. This cycle has taught me just how little the american voter gives a fuck about geopolitics. They themselves will often tell you with a smile how they only really care about domestic politics (AKA what they personally stand to gain from imperialism).
lmao thats your average liberal right there
Their true-crime fetish spills over into fantasizing about endless brown people being bombed by their own country.
you act like this was not always going to be the response, there level of care was not that high anyway, they where willing to suport a canidate who told people who suported Gaza that now was not the time
Lots of pro-genocide, anti-immigrant and pro-natural disaster tweets suddenly coming out the woodwork from the supposed compassionate dems.
Same on TikTok. Leftist creators’ comments are being swarmed by Dems saying some incredibly morally repugnant shit. They will blame everyone but themselves.
Honey, wake up, new narrative just dropped.
If only the evil Russians didn’t email bomb threats, Kamala would have won. :( Damn you, Putin! You win again you dastardly villain!
She not only lost, she lost big. A few bomb threats didn’t make the difference.
Found the Putinbot.
I got mad for a second at your reply only to realise this is Lemmygrad lol
smh ruzzians can’t take a joke 😤
She lost the popular vote, and thats huge, as a rule of thumb you should just be able to assume the dems will win the popular vote.
- Buy a .ru domain
- Send an email to literally anyone in the US
- Brace for impact
I wonder how many were from yandex, anyone can get a .ru email for free. It’s probably Americans doing it tbh, kids and the like.
Mueller round 2, go!
Liberals do need their theatre. Maybe lin-manuel miranda can write this one.
Now they get to LARP as the resistance again. I bet punk music will see a rise in popularity.
Determining which candidates to vote for in my state/county/city’s local elections by going to each candidates twitter and searching “Israel”
Cannot find anything regarding this for the Dem senator and governor running in my deep red state so I’m gonna have to vote for them regardless just based on abortion :( not that they’ll win anyways.
Writing in PSL for President at least o7
